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GN[wnewman-GoAhead(B) IGS]RE[W+Resign]
PW[wnewman]WR[NR ]NW[ 0.0]
PB[GoAhead]BR[NR ]NB[ 0.0]
PC[IGS:  igs.nuri.net 6969]DT[1996-06-02]
SZ[19]TM[2700]KM[0.5]LT[]
HA[9]AB[jd][jp][pj][dj][jj][pp][dd][pd][dp]
;W[qf]WL[2696]C[
 GoAhead NR : just a moment, Bill
 GoAhead NR : do you wanna concentrate on the game, or can we talk a lot?
 wnewman NR : I'll probably concentrate on my moves and not talk too much then, but we can talk as much as you want while GoAhead thinks.
]
;B[pf]BL[2544]
;W[pg]WL[2674]
;B[of]BL[2508]
;W[qd]WL[2664]C[
 GoAhead NR : ok. Could you please tell me you personnel strength, Bill?
 wnewman NR : slightly-out-of-practice American 1d (I haven't been to the go club here since it moved across town about 6 weeks ago, and I almost never play on the net.
]
;B[qe]BL[2494]
;W[re]WL[2657]
;B[pe]BL[2471]
;W[rg]WL[2616]
;B[qc]BL[2462]
;W[og]WL[2594]
;B[mc]BL[2402]
;W[nf]WL[2566]
;B[ne]BL[2374]
;W[mf]WL[2560]
;B[me]BL[2350]
;W[lf]WL[2554]
;B[df]BL[2327]
;W[pn]WL[2542]
;B[np]BL[2319]
;W[qp]WL[2534]
;B[qq]BL[2313]
;W[qo]WL[2531]
;B[rq]BL[2307]
;W[nk]WL[2528]C[
 GoAhead NR : we start at a GoAhead scoring of S+106
]
;B[nj]BL[2277]
;W[mj]WL[2524]C[
 GoAhead NR : now you have him ...
]
;B[pl]BL[2251]
;W[ok]WL[2508]
;B[oj]BL[2218]
;W[nn]WL[2492]
;B[pk]BL[2157]
;W[gc]WL[2448]
;B[dc]BL[2114]
;W[cn]WL[2427]C[
 GoAhead NR : N11 looks urgent to me
 wnewman NR : I think black's best escaping sequences involve p7, so I would defend on that side first.
 GoAhead NR : interesting. thanks
 wnewman NR : But black also has lots of areas that could become huge moyos in a single move, and those are urgent too..
 GoAhead NR : agree
]
;B[co]BL[2086]
;W[dn]WL[2355]
;B[fp]BL[2038]C[
 wnewman NR : My favorite defending move is m6, but I think I need to poke around in the rest of the board first.  If GoAhead had provoked me into invading c3 corner, then m6 would be induced.
]
;W[dl]WL[2300]C[
 wnewman NR : I am trying to follow Mark Boon's advice from the mailing list a while ago: play away from unsettled areas, let weaker player make mistakes in unsettled areas.
 GoAhead NR : you are apparently a very strong player according to your comments
 GoAhead NR : (I only roughly understand what you say)
 wnewman NR : I am a very academic player: I read a lot of books.  My tactics are not all that strong, though.
]
;B[fj]BL[1948]
;W[cq]WL[2270]C[
 GoAhead NR : what is better now d3 or b5, Bill?
 GoAhead NR : matter of taste?
]
;B[dq]BL[1877]C[
 wnewman NR : Probably b5 or c4 -- I am in GoAhead's sphere of influence, so splitting me into several groups probably works best.  But I'm not 100% sure here.
 GoAhead NR : I see.
]
;W[bo]WL[2203]
;B[cr]BL[1836]C[
 GoAhead NR : damn, B(b4) c4 b3 d5 c2 better
 wnewman NR : funny shape, bad aji for me no matter what I do
 wnewman NR : but seems more bad aji for GoAhead :-)
 wnewman NR : If computers were strong at go tactics like they are at chess tactics, this would be a really annoying position though.
]
;W[bq]WL[2068]C[
 wnewman NR : now I think about invading around h4, but if GoAhead defends there, that's OK too -- slow
 GoAhead NR : now, GoAhead is *not* in local mode for the first time!
 wnewman NR : What is local mode?
 GoAhead NR : it's a switch. When he feels that he is strongly attacked, he only plays locally
]
;B[br]BL[1720]C[
 wnewman NR : Does this also apply when he feels he has a strong attack against me?  (E.g. my move at g17 wasn't really a strong attack against GoAhead IMHO.)
 GoAhead NR : yes, it's both
 wnewman NR : good move
]
;W[cp]WL[1981]C[
 GoAhead NR : when playing at high handicap, he get's into local mode more easily
]
;B[do]BL[1687]
;W[dh]WL[1977]C[
 wnewman NR : I'll see how GoAhead responds here before deciding how much to worry about the cut at b6.
 wnewman NR : (The peep at b7, that is.)
]
;B[ge]BL[1640]
;W[jc]WL[1930]C[
 GoAhead NR : score S+80 now (but he consideres Q10 group as still alive)
]
;B[hd]BL[1573]C[
 wnewman NR : can't decide whether I can just live here..
 GoAhead NR : that's not that hard against GoAHead
 wnewman NR : also not 100% sure it would be good: I like trading my territory for your wall when your wall faces strong stones like m14..
 wnewman NR : ..but it also faces weak stone at d12.
 wnewman NR : decisions, decisions
 GoAhead NR : that's the enjoyable of Go ...
]
;W[ic]WL[1684]C[
 wnewman NR : What the heck: I shouldn't be playing at 9 stones if the wall is sufficient for GoAhead to capture d12 on a large scale with no compensation for me.
 GoAhead NR : right.
]
;B[kd]BL[1490]C[
 GoAhead NR : why J17 and not H17 (looks easier for me)?
 wnewman NR : I'm not sure which is right.  j17 leaves horrible aji at h18, but it gives me a strong response to l17.
]
;W[fb]WL[1626]C[
 GoAhead NR : ok. Black could have cut instead L16: h17 h18 g18 f18 j18 g19 k18
 GoAhead NR : would that have been a good way of playing?
 wnewman NR : Ideally I'd like things to work out so s16 is white sente (due to black shortage of liberties) but maybe it won't happen.
]
;B[mk]BL[1334]
;W[om]WL[1599]
;B[mi]BL[1274]C[
 wnewman NR : That would probably be good, but I think then I could definitely make s16 sente (due to aji of cut-off stones at k17) and I think there's enough space for little ponnuki group to live nicely.
 GoAhead NR : ok.
 wnewman NR : I'd try to unsettle corner group, don't know how much pressure I could generate.
 wnewman NR : Basically mess around and hope for weak moves from GoAhead..
 GoAhead NR : you don't have to wait long - I promise.
]
;W[lj]WL[1502]C[
 GoAhead NR : n8 would be stylish now
 wnewman NR : GoAhead has several forcing moves related to the stone at n8: I think it's better to leave them unplayed until you know which one you need.
]
;B[li]BL[1151]
;W[kk]WL[1481]C[
 wnewman NR : If something is about to happen to take away your forcing move, then it may make sense
 wnewman NR : to play it in a hurry, e.g. "kikashi before life" proverb.
 wnewman NR : Otherwise leave it unplayed so your opponent doesn't know which forcing sequence to defend against..
 GoAhead NR : interesting.
]
;B[ml]BL[1073]
;W[nm]WL[1460]C[
 GoAhead NR : next move is inportant. Continuing playing at n8/n9 group might end in a catastrophy
 GoAhead NR : so I would prefer l10 and then o12.
]
;B[lp]BL[979]C[
 GoAhead NR : oops
 wnewman NR : GoAhead shows confidence in its fighting ability.
]
;W[ni]WL[1374]C[
 GoAhead NR : well, just a bug I think - now you have him definitely
 wnewman NR : With proper play GoAhead gets a lot for it though: the cut at O13 at the very least.
 GoAhead NR : what about B(o12) p11 p12 q11 q12 r11 r12, Bill?
]
;B[jk]BL[879]
;W[kl]WL[1305]C[
 wnewman NR : On the other hand, if GoAhead still has trouble with large-scale captures (like the group around g8 in Indigo game) then I might be OK.
 GoAhead NR : yes still troubles ...
 GoAhead NR : looks like a large scale semiai is going to come
]
;B[lm]BL[790]C[
 wnewman NR : In the sequence that follows, the peep at n7 might be more useful than the play at n8. (maybe worth several points in late middlegame)
]
;W[jl]WL[1276]C[
 wnewman NR : but maybe this works too
]
;B[ki]BL[711]C[
 GoAhead NR : definitely bad.
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead feared the cut at l11, but b could answer l10 and then l12, capturing in a ladder.
 wnewman NR : It's an important play, but not the most urgent I think.  Like m4 -- but both are still pretty sensible moves.
 wnewman NR : I've seen lots of go programs play much, *much* worse moves.
 GoAhead NR : thank you
]
;W[ln]WL[1169]C[
 GoAhead NR : isn't m6 dangerous (pressing against own weak group)?
 GoAhead NR : score S+102 according to GoAhead
]
;B[kn]BL[606]C[
 wnewman NR : I anticipate black l7 white l6 black k7 white j8, not great but acceptable.
 wnewman NR : That would get k8 and p7 groups out of immediate danger and probably enough liberties to win capturing race against q10 group later.
 GoAhead NR : I see.
]
;W[mm]WL[1101]C[
 wnewman NR : GoAhead disagreed with my analysis, but I think I was right. :-)
 GoAhead NR : you have simply trapped him.
 wnewman NR : Actually "probably enough liberties to win capturing race later" may have been optimistic.  But it seemed like the best chance to stay in the game.
]
;B[ll]BL[474]C[
 wnewman NR : One of the two big reasons that my go program is a complete wreck is that I am rewriting the heuristics to understand the importance of cutting stones.
 GoAhead NR : yes, importance of cutting stones is a big problem
 GoAhead NR : sometimes important / sometimes better to sacrifice
 wnewman NR : Right now my program is blissfully ignorant of the importance of stones like n8. :-(
]
;W[km]WL[1017]C[
 GoAhead NR : now back to S+91
]
;B[ng]BL[385]
;W[oi]WL[932]C[
 GoAhead NR : another cutting stone ...
]
;B[pi]BL[316]C[
 wnewman NR : I do not believe it is in GoAhead's nature to let me have this cutting stone.
 wnewman NR : wnewman However, I've been wrong before. :-|
]
;W[oh]WL[867]C[
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead saw that o13 stone cannot be captured directly after B(q11)
]
;B[qm]BL[246]C[
 GoAhead NR : wrong side (r12 first)
 GoAhead NR : bad decision concerning the cutting stone at o13 I think
]
;W[ro]WL[707]C[
 GoAhead NR : was there a connect possibility?
 wnewman NR : br6 wq5 bs5 ws4 bt4
 GoAhead NR : i see. (missed r6 first)
 wnewman NR : I am impressed with GoAhead's reading. (especially on Atari!)
 GoAhead NR : thx
]
;B[pq]BL[167]C[
 GoAhead NR : oh, sh ...
 wnewman NR : q3 now GoAhead makes its bad move.
 wnewman NR : Now I have to think about whether black is dead.  Be patient, I haven't necessarily lost my connection.
 GoAhead NR : don't think that GoAhaed plays so many moves due to reading - most of the moves are played without any reading at all.
]
;W[mh]WL[360]C[
 wnewman NR : Hmm, sometimes it does miss things it shouldn't miss if it were reading (e.g. playing m8)
 GoAhead NR : yes. see my last comment.
]
;B[rn]BL[92]C[
 GoAhead NR : bad direction again (r12 first)
 wnewman NR : It catches me by surprise, I had only analyzed br12 wr13 bs12 and such.
 GoAhead NR : yes, GoAhead simply plays bad moves now.
 wnewman NR : This is not necessarily bad.
 wnewman NR : Just unexpected.
 GoAhead NR : B stones all dead - I promise.
 wnewman NR : It is sort of another example of leaving forcing moves in reserve like I talked about at n8.
 wnewman NR : However, it sounds as though it is doing it by accident instead of on purpose..
 GoAhead NR : right.
]
;W[sj]WL[36]C[
 wnewman NR : One think about GoAhead, it forces me to make terrible shape.  I have 6 empty triangles on the board!
]
;B[lk]BL[5]C[
 wnewman NR : Is that right?
 GoAhead NR : apparently - must be a bug.
 wnewman NR : (I seem to recall that you are typing moves in by hand.)
 wnewman NR : is entering byo-yomi
]
;W[nl]WL[2695]C[
 wnewman NR : My program does that kind of stuff sometimes because of the horizon effect: it doesn't like what it sees at the edge of its search, so it plays a stupid but forcing move to put off the bad result until it's beyond its search horizon.  I don't know any complete solution.
 GoAhead NR : is entering byo-yomi
]
;B[qh]BL[2639]C[
]
;W[qg]WL[2664]
;B[rh]BL[2583]C[
 wnewman NR : I spent a lot of time a few moves ago trying to figure out how to ignore r13 and get strong-enough groups on both sides, but I couldn't convince myself it would work.
]
;W[sh]WL[2659]
;B[rj]BL[2506]C[
 wnewman NR : If GoAhead isn't alive here, it's very close :-(
 wnewman NR : I didn't realize that it could threaten to make a 4-space eye r8 r9 r10 r11 even if I kept it from making any eyes on the side. :-(
 GoAhead NR : yes, looks like a rather diffucult L&D problem ...
 GoAhead NR : ... but remember that GoAhead will not be able to find the best moves
 wnewman NR : Yes, you keep saying that, but it doesn't always happen!
 GoAhead NR : well, look at the game so far: you won all local fights.
 GoAhead NR : m9 was really terrible. B had good forcing moves (m5,j8). Now these opportunities have disappeared.
 wnewman NR : Yes, losing m5 is too bad.  But q3 was probably a worse move.  (m9 lost a little in sente, q3 gained a tiny amount in gote.)
 GoAhead NR : agree.
]
;W[sl]WL[1967]C[
 GoAhead NR : w(s9) would have also killed?
]
;B[rl]BL[2439]C[
 wnewman NR : I thought ws9 bt6 wt5 bs8 lived, but I'm not sure.  Like I said, I'm probably below-average in tactical reading for a 1d.
]
;W[sm]WL[1855]
;B[rk]BL[2369]
;W[ri]WL[1844]C[
 GoAhead NR : B(t9) t11 r11 t13 lives. will you play ko?
]
;B[qi]BL[2365]C[
 wnewman NR : This doesn't really work, I thought somehow I might get q12 in sente but I was hallucinating.
]
;W[hp]WL[1834]C[
 wnewman NR : I'll save the rest of my ko threats like a sensible person.
]
;B[jn]BL[2318]
;W[gq]WL[1764]C[
 GoAhead NR : Does black live now, or is it ko?
 wnewman NR : black is alive.
 GoAhead NR : whow!
 wnewman NR : r8 and t8 are miai, and t8 is not ko.
]
;B[fq]BL[2250]C[
 wnewman NR : And for good measure, t6 is a double threat to escape and to capture t7.
 GoAhead NR : yes, I see.
]
;W[iq]WL[1751]C[
 GoAhead NR : GoAHead's not sure about L&D: score S+50
]
;B[jq]BL[2188]C[
 wnewman NR : I have some hope of getting a free move, then.
 GoAhead NR : yes, sure.
]
;W[hn]WL[1726]
;B[en]BL[2113]
;W[ik]WL[1705]
;B[il]BL[2064]
;W[hk]WL[1695]C[
 wnewman NR : This may be bad judgment: the two white stones are heavy.  But I could really use a fight right now.
]
;B[hi]BL[2000]C[
 GoAhead NR : I must analye the L&D at home again. Cannot read it out after W(s9) instead of t8
 wnewman NR : I think white s11 instead of t10 might have been better, but probably I just couldn't afford to play n12 and still kill the group.
]
;W[gi]WL[1684]C[
 wnewman NR : As I said, I'd assumed that if I took all the eyespace on the edge, the fight was over -- not so.
]
;B[gj]BL[1925]
;W[im]WL[1677]C[
 wnewman NR : Now I think g11 was bad: I should either play j7 immediately, or I should play e10 and see what happens.
 GoAhead NR : score is now S+46
]
;B[sk]BL[1855]C[
 wnewman NR : White can only hope black makes big mistake soon.
 GoAhead NR : what did i say
]
;W[hj]WL[1672]C[
 wnewman NR : another empty triangle!
]
;B[kg]BL[1723]
;W[hh]WL[1641]C[
 GoAhead NR : yes h12 was urgent for both. GoAhead was scared about L11 group
]
;B[ii]BL[1649]C[
 wnewman NR : I was hoping I could catch GoAhead by surprise in large scale attacks like this, but it seems to understand them better than I realized.  Still, trouble for g10 is good for me.
]
;W[fh]WL[1629]C[
 wnewman NR : I have lots of aji here anyway, maybe something will happen.
 GoAhead NR : yes lots.
 GoAhead NR : sorry, I've made a typo on the Atari, be patient, please
 wnewman NR : no problem
]
;B[fl]BL[1571]C[
 GoAhead NR : score has reduced to B+36
 wnewman NR : I haven't counted, but I thought B was further ahead than that.
 GoAhead NR : what's your result?
]
;W[ek]WL[1587]C[
 wnewman NR : Actually, maybe that's right.  I was forgetting about white captures, and lower right black territory looked even bigger than it is.
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead counts negative points for weak groups (Q9) which is still not alive to him.
]
;B[ej]BL[1421]
;W[fk]WL[1478]C[
 wnewman NR : I am out of practice.  I thought for a while that I couldn't cut here because bg9 wg8 bh8 is double atari, but b can't h8 because of shortage of liberties.
]
;B[gk]BL[1332]C[
 wnewman NR : I hope GoAhead doesn't see something I don't..
]
;W[gl]WL[1471]C[
 GoAhead NR : you have captured B group g9. That's it.
 wnewman NR : Cut at e12 is still interesting.  I wish I had had the prescience to play kikashi around e14 and f15 before starting this sequence.
 GoAhead NR : e12 doesn't appear to GoAhead
]
;B[fm]BL[1222]C[
 wnewman NR : Still, it's hard to see how black can save f10 without side-effects bad for m11.
 GoAhead NR : yes, you're right.
]
;W[ig]WL[1452]C[
 wnewman NR : another less-speculative kikashi to deal with the cut
]
;B[kf]BL[1119]C[
 wnewman NR : and induce something cutting off the o11 group so I finally have an excuse to play s18
]
;W[rd]WL[1422]C[
 wnewman NR : actually bad -- m15 is double sente :-(
 GoAhead NR : why sente for B (please give a variation if tennuki)?
]
;B[pc]BL[1035]
;W[le]WL[1408]C[
 wnewman NR : b m15 w tenuki b n13
 GoAhead NR : I see - my fault
 wnewman NR : not incredibly forcing on either side, especially after b q17
 wnewman NR : but close enough to sente on both sides that I count it as double sente
]
;B[hc]BL[939]
;W[hb]WL[1404]
;B[id]BL[831]C[
 wnewman NR : has entered byo-yomi again
 GoAhead NR : you have it down to S+26 now!
]
;W[lb]WL[1367]C[
 GoAhead NR : has entered byo-yomi again
 wnewman NR : I don't count that carefully at this point: I count the score at this point as ``I'd better still try to complicate the game.''
 wnewman NR : If it gets closer, then I'll start counting properly.
 GoAhead NR : yes of course. just an information for you
 wnewman NR : Of course, some things like m16 are urgent and big enough that I'll play them even if they might not complicate the game.
 GoAhead NR : what do you think about the possibility B(c8) later?
]
;B[ld]BL[746]C[
 wnewman NR : c8 and c12 are both still worrisome.
 GoAhead NR : e.g. c8 d7 b7 b6 c11 ...
 wnewman NR : m18 or m17 interesting choice, white has shortage-of-liberties problems on both sides.  But white can fix the problems above in sente
 wnewman NR : by playing m12, so I think m17 would be better than m16.
 GoAhead NR : yes, agree.
 wnewman NR : I think I'll think for a few minutes.
 GoAhead NR : ok.
]
;W[ar]WL[2681]C[
 wnewman NR : maybe time to stop trying to complicate the game :-)
 wnewman NR : but this simplifies for me and might complicate for GoAhead :-) :-)
 wnewman NR : c8 is kind of scary, you're right.
 GoAhead NR : yes I wonder why GoAhead didn't capture at a3 before
 GoAhead NR : normally he likes eating stones very muchy
 wnewman NR : not a capture, just destroys my eye
]
;B[gm]BL[2549]
;W[hl]WL[2255]C[
 GoAhead NR : my fault again, sorry Bill.
 wnewman NR : just shows that you haven't wasted too much of your life playing go
 GoAhead NR : oh I'd like to become a stonger go player
 GoAhead NR : and if only for purpose to get more ideas to program GoAhead
 wnewman NR : By the way, forcing at g7 was expensive: now j10 isn't sente, so k12 is a more severe threat.
]
;B[ck]BL[2419]C[
 wnewman NR : I don't know whether I'll have to use m12 to fix my shortage of liberties at n14 though.
 wnewman NR : The two aren't compatible.
 wnewman NR : c9 doesn't seem as severe as c8, but still interesting.
 GoAhead NR : too bad, c9 doesn't achieve anything, I fear
 wnewman NR : I think w must be careful: if c8, then what if b peep at b7?  (Does GoAhead read sequences like this?)
 GoAhead NR : no.
 GoAhead NR : only if successful L&D calculation.
 GoAhead NR : (concerning W group around c6 - not very probable)
]
;W[cl]WL[2246]C[
 wnewman NR : If GoAhead escapes with this group too I will be discouraged. (and impressed)
]
;B[go]BL[2285]C[
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead is also scared about his lower left corner group
 wnewman NR : I want to threaten to live below instead of just connecting, but I have a fair amount of reading to do.
 GoAhead NR : take your time
 wnewman NR : GoAhead is right: the group isn't going to die, but there are lots of interesting threats against it.  (Fewer now that g5 has been played, though.)
 wnewman NR : There are still enough threats that w h5 may be sente.
 wnewman NR : but I am trying to see whether I can play w f2 or w e2 instead.
]
;W[ho]WL[2019]C[
 wnewman NR : Oh well, sente is good.
]
;B[gn]BL[2187]
;W[cg]WL[1540]C[
 GoAhead NR : no chance left for B e10 group, I think.
 wnewman NR : A black move around f2 would have been significantly better; this way I can capture the b2c2 group (in gote).
 GoAhead NR : GoAHead consideres E10 as dead now
 GoAhead NR : score=S+7
 wnewman NR : Yes, c13 is sente and fairly large anyway, and I really really wanted it to deal with e10 group.
]
;B[rc]BL[2098]C[
 wnewman NR : s17 is clever, almost a threat to kill r13 group.  I will double-check.
 wnewman NR : It's worth double-checking, since b15 is much bigger than the biggest defensive move I can find (t13).
]
;W[be]WL[1520]
;B[bd]BL[1985]C[
 wnewman NR : The thunderstorm has finally arrived here, so if I disappear from the net I may have been zapped by lighting or slurped up by a tornado.
]
;W[ce]WL[1261]C[
 GoAhead NR : once again difficult situation for B upper left corner group now
 GoAhead NR : should I resign, Bill? What's your opinion?
 GoAhead NR : I think, it's better
]
;B[de]BL[1898]
;W[cd]WL[1232]
;B[cc]BL[1834]
;W[mb]WL[1209]C[
 wnewman NR : I am ahead now; when I run out of sente plays I will play e2.
 wnewman NR : However, I was curious how GoAhead would play the next 10 moves or so.
 GoAhead NR : I think, I resign, and we can talk a bit more over the game, ok?
 wnewman NR : OK.
];

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