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  Copyright (c) I.Net Technologies, Inc. 1995
  Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given.
  No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood.
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]
GN[NeuroGoII-bouzy(B) IGS]RE[W+Resign]
PW[NeuroGoII]WR[NR ]NW[  0]
PB[bouzy]BR[NR ]NB[  0]
PC[IGS:  igs.nuri.net 6969]DT[1997-01-27]
SZ[19]TM[1800]KM[5.500000]LT[]

;B[qq]BL[1784]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Ok. NeuroGo is thinking.
 bouzy NR : ok :)
]
;W[qc]WL[1748]C[
 bouzy NR : when I did not work on indigo fro a long time
 bouzy NR : there are always some problems when I start a game on IGS !
 NeuroGoII NR : I use a freezed version.
]
;B[lq]BL[1706]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : This minute, someone started a big job on my machine :-(
 bouzy NR : Normally I do but not today... :)
]
;W[cq]WL[1694]
;B[pm]BL[1686]
;W[cc]WL[1643]
;B[qi]BL[1652]C[
 bouzy NR : 3 corners against a moyo ?
 NeuroGoII NR : You will only see moves on the 3rd row by NeuroGo.
]
;W[mc]WL[1589]
;B[qe]BL[1629]C[
 bouzy NR : why ?
 NeuroGoII NR : I do not know. I use different weights for the edges now and it
 NeuroGoII NR : plays only on the 3rd row, since I did this.
]
;W[cm]WL[1526]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : But before it always played in the middle of the board.
]
;B[gq]BL[1606]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Si I am happy.
 NeuroGoII NR : Si == So
]
;W[eq]WL[1482]
;B[oc]BL[1587]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : NeuroGo will never play q16.
]
;W[od]WL[1434]C[
 bouzy NR : just changing weights changes the play from the middle to the sides ?
]
;B[pc]BL[1550]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Yes. It was probably a bad idea to use the same weights at the edges,
 NeuroGoII NR : because evaluation there is very different.
]
;W[pd]WL[1387]
;B[nc]BL[1533]C[
 bouzy NR : funny game already
 NeuroGoII NR : It will probably become a catastrophe for on of the programs.
]
;W[nd]WL[1341]
;B[qd]BL[1520]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Maybe for me...
 bouzy NR : or for me ...
]
;W[nb]WL[1293]
;B[pb]BL[1500]C[
 bouzy NR : :(
 NeuroGoII NR : You are the better player. Is this a ladder?
]
;W[qb]WL[1240]C[
 bouzy NR : a ladder, r18 settles the situations for NGo
]
;B[pa]BL[1467]C[
 bouzy NR : grrrr :)
 NeuroGoII NR : It is very greedy on killing stones.
]
;W[rc]WL[1198]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : empty triangle
]
;B[md]BL[1439]
;W[mb]WL[1132]
;B[qa]BL[1424]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : o15 == kill ?
 bouzy NR : no because many ataris
 NeuroGoII NR : I see.
]
;W[ra]WL[1069]C[
 bouzy NR : n15 will be a nice shibori
]
;B[qg]BL[1407]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I guess shibori is something to eat.
 bouzy NR : shibori is taking a counterpart from a loss (a wall against a death)
 NeuroGoII NR : There must be lots of shiboris in computer Go.
]
;W[me]WL[995]C[
 bouzy NR : indigo thinks it is 17 pts ahead
]
;B[ld]BL[1384]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I use winning probability now, NGo thinks it is 83% for itself.
 bouzy NR : :)
]
;W[kd]WL[925]
;B[lc]BL[1368]C[
 bouzy NR : :( m15 would ahve been better...
 NeuroGoII NR : Yes. NGo would have continued attacking anyway.
]
;W[le]WL[871]
;B[lb]BL[1357]
;W[kc]WL[824]C[
 bouzy NR : this beginning is hard for indigo...
]
;B[la]BL[1319]
;W[kb]WL[777]
;B[dp]BL[1282]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : What c++ compiler do you use?
]
;W[ep]WL[728]C[
 bouzy NR : a preprocessor from ATT, I think :)
]
;B[dn]BL[1230]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : g++ will have a better implementation of templates in its
 NeuroGoII NR : next version. I must wait until then.
]
;W[en]WL[679]
;B[do]BL[1210]
;W[ck]WL[635]
;B[dm]BL[1195]
;W[bo]WL[590]
;B[eo]BL[1173]C[
 bouzy NR : c9 is the first original move of NGo
 NeuroGoII NR : Luck.
]
;W[gn]WL[544]
;B[fo]BL[1158]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : It becomes hot again.
 bouzy NR : yes !
]
;W[hp]WL[497]C[
 bouzy NR : very hot
]
;B[gp]BL[1109]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : NeuroGo simply sprinkles some stones somewhere and tries
 NeuroGoII NR : to create ladders.
 bouzy NR : create ladders , why ?
]
;W[hq]WL[429]
;B[ho]BL[1088]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Because ladders are the only tactical information it is fed with.
 NeuroGoII NR : It does no more search.
 bouzy NR : did you tell ng to create ladder or is it a side effect ?
]
;W[jq]WL[379]
;B[go]BL[1075]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : It learned this by playing against a copy of itself.
 bouzy NR : very interesting
 NeuroGoII NR : Unfortunately it often keeps attacking a 3 liberty string,
 NeuroGoII NR : even if it is useless.
]
;W[ko]WL[314]C[
 bouzy NR : no l16 was useful !
]
;B[io]BL[1041]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : It would have attacked, if Indigo had played m15, too.
]
;W[fc]WL[231]C[
 bouzy NR : ng is going is the black moyo...
]
;B[ip]BL[1011]
;W[mq]WL[188]
;B[jp]BL[987]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Do you like your new flat?
]
;W[kq]WL[145]C[
 bouzy NR : yes of course
 NeuroGoII NR : It is really nice, I think.
]
;B[kp]BL[967]
;W[lp]WL[102]
;B[lr]BL[952]C[
 bouzy NR : ng is very strong ...
 NeuroGoII NR : Actually I do not like its attacks. Does not look like real Go.
]
;W[mr]WL[35]
;B[kr]BL[934]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I mean it is like everything or nothing.
 NeuroGoII NR : is entering byo-yomi
]
;W[jr]WL[1789]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Handtalks openings look nice.
]
;B[lo]BL[830]C[
 bouzy NR : yes hdtlk is strong
 NeuroGoII NR : You win this fight.
]
;W[mp]WL[1710]C[
 bouzy NR : why
]
;B[kn]BL[810]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I thought the cut was successful.
 bouzy NR : j3 ?
]
;W[hr]WL[1660]
;B[dq]BL[790]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Yes. I only have this text board.
]
;W[dr]WL[1612]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Do you have a graphics interface for Indogo?
]
;B[fn]BL[766]C[
 bouzy NR : yes I made it a long time ago
 NeuroGoII NR : Indogo==Indigo
]
;W[cg]WL[1565]
;B[gm]BL[747]C[
 bouzy NR : after all these moves perhaps the black group is safe :-)
]
;W[er]WL[1514]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : It is, but the edge is safe too.
]
;B[fe]BL[705]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : NeuroGo will stay at search depth 1/2, because the other guy
 NeuroGoII NR : is still running a big job. It measures real time.
]
;W[gr]WL[1459]
;B[bl]BL[663]C[
 bouzy NR : bad move
 NeuroGoII NR : Yes.
]
;W[cl]WL[1411]
;B[cn]BL[645]C[
 bouzy NR : we have new machines at the lab they are quicker than the old ones
]
;W[ee]WL[1362]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : How do they compare with a Pentium PC 133?
 bouzy NR : I don't know
]
;B[bm]BL[562]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : How is Tristan?
]
;W[bn]WL[1311]C[
 bouzy NR : fine I think His gogol is nice
]
;B[bk]BL[525]
;W[bj]WL[1265]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Hmm...
 bouzy NR : b10 is not so good
]
;B[ed]BL[486]C[
 bouzy NR : but indigo does not care !!!
 NeuroGoII NR : I am lucky again.
]
;W[fd]WL[1220]
;B[dd]BL[467]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : NeuroGo does not care either.
]
;W[de]WL[1175]C[
 bouzy NR : indigo thinks NGo is 38 points ahead
]
;B[cd]BL[450]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : 99.6% for me :-)
 bouzy NR : a little bit optimistic perhaps computer go is made of surprises
]
;W[ce]WL[1126]
;B[bd]BL[436]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : It was not my opinion.
 bouzy NR : I would say 90% for NG :)
]
;W[dc]WL[1068]
;B[bc]BL[419]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Will Indigo cut at c10 one day?
 bouzy NR : yes one day perhaps today or tomorrow
 bouzy NR : and NG ?
]
;W[bb]WL[1026]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Never.
]
;B[ec]BL[393]
;W[eb]WL[987]
;B[be]BL[380]
;W[fb]WL[947]C[
 bouzy NR : have you been working on NG since september ?
 bouzy NR : your NG is very strong
 NeuroGoII NR : Yes, but apart from the chenges concerning the edges, nothing was successful.
 bouzy NR : f18 could have been in b14 but it is nice anyway
]
;B[ci]BL[279]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I tried to program an incremental updating in c++
 bouzy NR : c11 :((
 NeuroGoII NR : Now it will defend the cutting point.
]
;W[cj]WL[895]
;B[bi]BL[257]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I played some test games vs. MFGO & Handtalk. They were a deseaster
 NeuroGoII NR : for NGo.
]
;W[di]WL[835]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Sorry for my many typos.
]
;B[bg]BL[242]
;W[bf]WL[792]
;B[bh]BL[224]
;W[cf]WL[746]
;B[af]BL[206]
;W[ch]WL[703]
;B[dj]BL[186]
;W[aj]WL[663]
;B[dh]BL[169]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I am back in a minute...
]
;W[ei]WL[547]
;B[dg]BL[100]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : has entered byo-yomi again
]
;W[ef]WL[1759]
;B[ej]BL[81]
;W[eh]WL[1719]
;B[gh]BL[45]
;W[ai]WL[1680]
;B[fj]BL[27]
;W[hg]WL[1642]
;B[ge]BL[8]
;W[ff]WL[1618]C[
 bouzy NR : your turn
 NeuroGoII NR : I replayed f14
 bouzy NR : is entering byo-yomi
]
;B[gf]BL[1789]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : I nearly forgot the password. Therfore it took
 NeuroGoII NR : me so long to return.
]
;W[gg]WL[1566]
;B[pf]BL[1763]
;W[pp]WL[1531]
;B[qp]BL[1736]
;W[on]WL[1503]
;B[po]BL[1700]
;W[oo]WL[1473]
;B[pn]BL[1672]
;W[ji]WL[1442]
;B[hj]BL[1652]
;W[lk]WL[1412]C[
 bouzy NR : k11 m9 funny !
]
;B[op]BL[1617]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Looks silly.
 bouzy NR : but not bad globally
]
;W[km]WL[1376]C[
 bouzy NR : NGo attacks !
]
;B[ln]BL[1526]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Good. I hope m7 now.
]
;W[om]WL[1345]
;B[lm]BL[1510]
;W[pq]WL[1318]
;B[ml]BL[1477]
;W[oq]WL[1291]
;B[kl]BL[1458]
;W[ni]WL[1265]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : again 2 diagonally
]
;B[jm]BL[1431]C[
 bouzy NR : a neuro weight effect ?
 NeuroGoII NR : No idea...
]
;W[cp]WL[1230]
;B[ae]BL[1402]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Maybe. I use a connection map up to distance 3.
]
;W[ah]WL[1188]
;B[ie]BL[1386]C[
 bouzy NR : oulala
]
;W[ac]WL[1162]
;B[jf]BL[1370]
;W[hf]WL[1134]
;B[he]BL[1356]
;W[jg]WL[1109]
;B[kf]BL[1337]
;W[ag]WL[1082]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Not very useful.
 NeuroGoII NR : Does Indigo many tactical searches now?
 bouzy NR : it makes the same searches along the whole game
 bouzy NR : and NGo
 NeuroGoII NR : Only ladders. But it will switch to global depth 2 soon.
 NeuroGoII NR : Tactical search for input is too expensive.
 NeuroGoII NR : This net trained for about 40000 games.
 NeuroGoII NR : You cannot perform a tactical search at every move.
]
;B[ig]BL[1070]
;W[ih]WL[1051]
;B[if]BL[1047]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Of course I could perform tactical seraches after training
 NeuroGoII NR : and feed it at the "ladder" input into the net.
]
;W[jh]WL[1000]
;B[hh]BL[1029]C[
 bouzy NR : k12 is not so good
]
;W[fg]WL[970]
;B[lg]BL[1012]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : has entered byo-yomi again
 NeuroGoII NR : Yes, dangerous.
 NeuroGoII NR : I hate k11 m9 o11 now...
]
;W[mg]WL[1759]
;B[mf]BL[984]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Depth 2 now.
 NeuroGoII NR : But never more than 50 sec.
]
;W[nf]WL[1697]
;B[lf]BL[970]
;W[rp]WL[1636]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : ...
]
;B[mh]BL[907]
;W[ng]WL[1568]
;B[lh]BL[891]
;W[nh]WL[1504]C[
 bouzy NR : has entered byo-yomi again
]
;B[kk]BL[1784]
;W[lj]WL[1429]
;B[kj]BL[1767]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Is it as cold in Paris as here?
 bouzy NR : yes :)
 NeuroGoII NR : Winter time is usually good for programming :-)
]
;W[qo]WL[1366]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Oh dear!
]
;B[ki]BL[1748]
;W[ro]WL[1307]
;B[ol]BL[1726]
;W[pl]WL[1247]
;B[pk]BL[1710]
;W[ql]WL[1197]
;B[ok]BL[1686]
;W[qk]WL[1139]
;B[mj]BL[1668]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : If the other guy wasn't stealing my cpu-time, I would be faster.
]
;W[ne]WL[1073]C[
 NeuroGoII NR : Silly move.
 bouzy NR : ok indigo thinks Ngo is more than 100 points ahead
];

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