(; GM[1]US[Brought to you by No Name Go Server] CoPyright[ This game was played on the No Name Go Server Permission to reproduce this game is given.] GN[GoAhead-ManyFaces(B) NNGS] EV[None] RE[B+24.5] PW[GoAhead]WR[NR ] PB[ManyFaces]BR[10k*] PC[NNGS New York USA: ra.york.cuny.edu 9696] DT[1996-08-26] SZ[19]TM[2700]KM[5.5] ;B[pc];W[dq];B[cd];W[pp];B[co];W[ed];B[gc];W[cc];B[bc];W[dc];B[be];W[fe] ;B[dg];W[hd];B[ic];W[pe];B[fq];W[ep];B[fg];W[bb];B[hc]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: Hi. It's me, David. GoAhead NR : oh hi, I'd like to begin a new game with you watching - ok? ManyFaces 10k*: No this is an official game, let's continue GoAhead NR : ok, I just thought you'd make some more comments on the first moves ] ;W[id];B[jd]C[ GoAhead NR : you would have chosen White, right? ManyFaces 10k*: Black ManyFaces 10k*: thought the ladder position sets colours GoAhead NR : no, the challenged program can choose ] ;W[hg];B[de]C[ GoAhead NR : really no new start? ManyFaces 10k*: Yes ManyFaces 10k*: it doesn't seem right. Anyway, looks like you have a good position. ] ;W[je]C[ GoAhead NR : W has a large pointless group ManyFaces 10k*: MF is trying to attack the W group. It thinks it has only one eye in the corner GoAhead NR : ... and he's right. GoAhead NR : target for attack ] ;B[kc]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: no, W group is strong. W has good potential on right and lower right. GoAhead NR : GoAhead is scared ] ;W[ke]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: big potential now on right side. ] ;B[qe]C[ GoAhead NR : at least this fuseki is not as catastrophical as in last game I tried with White ManyFaces 10k*: this is bad - giving w even more strength on right. ManyFaces 10k*: MF thinks it is about 15 ahead. ] ;W[lc]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: but if B plays the usual joseki, locks up the whole right side GoAhead NR : unfortunately, GoAhead is out of Joseki library since B(L17) ManyFaces 10k*: this is good too. GoAhead NR : thank you - but I don't think so ] ;B[qd]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: MF thinks w can kill the upper side group at M18 GoAhead NR : whow! ] ;W[ld];B[jb]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead's only chance is that he gets a better fuseki GoAhead NR : MF is clearly superior in all other stages ] ;W[ff]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: this is slow. Now a move by B on right side will give B lead. ] ;B[ef]C[ GoAhead NR : yes, f14/e14 is both bad ManyFaces 10k*: but B answers :-( ManyFaces 10k*: GoAhead must be worried about the big W group? GoAhead NR : yes, still ManyFaces 10k*: but it has so much outside influence and two eyes in corner, and one eye in center. ManyFaces 10k*: is a very strong group. ManyFaces 10k*: MF thinks it is very strong now. ] ;W[fc];B[fb]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: this MF doesn't value playing big moves on side enough. ManyFaces 10k*: current version would play on right. GoAhead NR : say good. ] ;W[gd]C[ GoAhead NR : too bad ] ;B[iq]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: now MF thinks it is ahead by 25. GoAhead NR : GoAhead thinks W+7 (?) ManyFaces 10k*: Black ] ;W[en];B[cl]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: now B+36! ] ;W[eb]C[ GoAhead NR : LL corner now good result for B I think ManyFaces 10k*: yes, since B played on both sides. ] ;B[gb]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: but B group at top may still die. GoAhead NR : chances for GoAHead already very thin, I think ManyFaces 10k*: MF wants to attack your LL group. Thinks all other big groups are stable. GoAhead NR : will you install your new version soon, David? ManyFaces 10k*: maybe after FOST. GoAhead NR : but you will play with new version at FOST, right? ] ;W[lb];B[fa]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: a move like L3 or right is big. GoAhead NR : hmm, what about W(h19), David? ] ;W[ea];B[kb]C[ GoAhead NR : alive now ManyFaces 10k*: now h19 doesn't work. ManyFaces 10k*: if h19 last move, B plays m18 and lives. GoAhead NR : I see. ] ;W[qm];B[qn]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: good. ManyFaces 10k*: a bug. MF thinks this move is Joseki! GoAhead NR : maybe it is - I don't know ] ;W[pn];B[np]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: it's not. MF probably got the corner relection wrong. GoAhead NR : good move - GoAhead will lose time to capture ManyFaces 10k*: now MF thinks B+33. ] ;W[qo];B[oq]C[ GoAhead NR : B leads - no question ManyFaces 10k*: in computer go it is good to drop a stone in your opponent's territory sometimes and leave it :-) GoAhead NR : yes, absolutely GoAhead NR : GoAhead claims W+1 (including komi) - nonsense ] ;W[pq]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: can GA estimate territory, like the left side? GoAhead NR : GoAhead counts it as B potential - not territory ] ;B[bq]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: now the LL attack... GoAhead NR : yes, good attack - B will make territory while attacking ManyFaces 10k*: MF thinks left side is B territory, no invasion possible. ] ;W[el];B[gi]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: oops. GoAhead NR : well, W's only chance is to go for the center - not too bad ManyFaces 10k*: now attach on left and B gets nothing here. ] ;W[dk];B[ck]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: found an urgent, reflex response. ManyFaces 10k*: now B+28 only. GoAhead NR : better c9 instead of d9, right? ManyFaces 10k*: yes, just like on upper side. ] ;W[gn];B[kp]C[ GoAhead NR : good - making territory while attacking ManyFaces 10k*: played to strengthen the groups on either side. ManyFaces 10k*: how about bottom, does GA give it territory yet? ManyFaces 10k*: B+36.5 GoAhead NR : B+11 ManyFaces 10k*: MF thinks the LL group settled now since plenty of running room. ] ;W[ia];B[ha]C[ GoAhead NR : (strange) ManyFaces 10k*: no more danger to group in upper middle. GoAhead NR : was h19 nessecary? ] ;W[qh];B[nd]C[ GoAhead NR : o16 looks like wrong direction ManyFaces 10k*: good W extension, bad B response. ManyFaces 10k*: trying to attack single W stone. ] ;W[pf];B[nb]C[ GoAhead NR : safety first, right? GoAhead NR : some chances for a W mojo on R side now ManyFaces 10k*: o14 would start big center... ManyFaces 10k*: safety and territory. ManyFaces 10k*: now B+25.5 W catching up. ] ;W[qf];B[nf]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: small. GoAhead NR : yes, very r14 very bad ManyFaces 10k*: MF puts high value on this kind of splitting move. GoAhead NR : GoAhead also would, I think - but only for B ?! ] ;W[ng];B[mg]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: but W does get whole right side, as predicted. GoAhead NR : wait and see ] ;W[mf]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: cool sequence. MF would never play like this, but it looks good for W. GoAhead NR : looks like some fighting will develop ] ;B[ne]C[ GoAhead NR : but it's dangerous for W's mojo ManyFaces 10k*: but without this sequence, W has nothing in center. Now has surrounded center and has weak B group to attack. GoAhead NR : don't you say surrounded - it is computer go GoAhead NR : p13 or o12 now and W is fine ] ;W[og];B[mh]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: O12 would be better. ] ;W[re];B[rd]C[ GoAhead NR : gote, bad ManyFaces 10k*: slow, if W defends now. GoAhead NR : where is the weak group you meant? ManyFaces 10k*: but now B+5.5 only. ] ;W[rf];B[lf]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: two B stones floating in center. GoAhead NR : ... and devasting W's mojo ManyFaces 10k*: not if they die... ManyFaces 10k*: W must save cutting stone! GoAhead NR : MF will cut here, killing W stones ] ;W[me];B[le]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: cut may not work? ManyFaces 10k*: I guess MF thinks it works. GoAhead NR : no ladder for W ManyFaces 10k*: Too bad. GoAhead NR : indeed ] ;W[kd];B[md]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: looks like W can try. ManyFaces 10k*: after cut, M12 threatens right group, then can capture upper, right? ManyFaces 10k*: now b+23.5 ManyFaces 10k*: hard for W to win now. GoAhead NR : now all B groups strong, B more territory, difficult ] ;W[nn];B[mj]C[ GoAhead NR : good enough ManyFaces 10k*: erasing move. GoAhead NR : what means "erasing", David? ManyFaces 10k*: walking into potential territoy to erase the potential. ] ;W[no];B[mp]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: should have tried N3. GoAhead NR : yes. MF in "watery" mode now? ManyFaces 10k*: Yes. ManyFaces 10k*: o5 helps W take territory. ] ;W[ci]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: B shold cut now., ] ;B[dj]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: yes! GoAhead NR : C11 was an "invasion" (doen't work) ManyFaces 10k*: does GA do local obvious sequences to find bad results like this? ManyFaces 10k*: in LR, o5 forces B to extend locally (for liberties). ManyFaces 10k*: then, the B territory is solidified, while O5 does nothing for W. ManyFaces 10k*: reading the B response to O5 should show that O5 is a bad move. ManyFaces 10k*: that's what I mean by reading the loacl obvious forced responses. GoAhead NR : GoAhead only perform reading for 3 purposes ... GoAhead NR : life and death / endgame sequences / ladders GoAhead NR : so my answer is no ManyFaces 10k*: adding local forced responses made MF lots stronger... GoAhead NR : yes, sounds good ] ;W[cj];B[di]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: N3 instead of O5 would threaten to connect to right, or upp up, capturing 2 stones. ] ;W[ch];B[bj]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead recognizes that C11 stones are dead now ] ;W[cm]C[ GoAhead NR : maybe, MF gets confused here? ManyFaces 10k*: 94 is good - may still win local fight. GoAhead NR : I think, it's more probable that whole W group dies here ManyFaces 10k*: MF is thinking hard - lots to read. Doing life/death for both B groups. ManyFaces 10k*: might not have time to find a good move. ] ;B[bl]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: see. W has a chance now. ManyFaces 10k*: capture the two stones in the corner. GoAhead NR : 45 min + 45 min/25 moves byotime not enough? GoAhead NR : now GoAhead is thinking hard ... ManyFaces 10k*: MF makes an eye to ensure capture of W group above. ] ;W[bm]C[ GoAhead NR : fine, GoAhead GoAhead NR : at least some chances created ManyFaces 10k*: good move for W. ] ;B[al]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: maybe W captures everything here and wins bigtime. ManyFaces 10k*: B 97 is horrible. GoAhead NR : looks like B can connect with a7 ManyFaces 10k*: but after W a7, B is short of liberties. ] ;W[am]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: well, low on liberties anyway. Looks like W can give up the stone at D9 and capture corner for sure. ] ;B[ak]C[ GoAhead NR : exciting fight! ManyFaces 10k*: D7 doesn't work for B so he must D8 ManyFaces 10k*: B is more concerned with fighting with 3 W stones above. GoAhead NR : B lives now or cuts ] ;W[bi]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead has read out L&D GoAhead NR : (but I not sure, whether he's right.) ] ;B[dm]C[ GoAhead NR : d8 kills your group now ] ;W[dn]C[ GoAhead NR : too bad GoAhead NR : d8 saves stones and captures 5 W stones now ] ;B[em]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: very dangerous GoAhead NR : hmm ... GoAhead NR : W(f7) d8 e9 and dead again GoAhead NR : no I was wrong ] ;W[fm];B[dl]C[ GoAhead NR : W can't e9 now - because of c6 ManyFaces 10k*: Too bad. ] ;W[cn];B[fl]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: see, you get the corner. GoAhead NR : but winning the corner is not so bad result GoAhead NR : B+21 ] ;W[bo];B[cr];W[dr];B[gl];W[cp];B[er]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead is very proud if he can kill something ] ;W[ds];B[pj]C[ GoAhead NR : very good move ManyFaces 10k*: B+42 GoAhead NR : B+18 GoAhead NR : (GoAhead didn't realize that C11 stones are dead) ] ;W[rj];B[qk];W[rk];B[ih]C[ GoAhead NR : W's mojo reduced to 25 points or so ] ;W[gg];B[fh]C[ GoAhead NR : now center becomes B's! ] ;W[bg];B[dh];W[mo]C[ GoAhead NR : oops ] ;B[lo];W[ln];B[kn];W[ql];B[lm]C[ GoAhead NR : W's only chance now is a cut around p10 I think GoAhead NR : allowing B(m7) is painful - looks like game over ] ;W[in];B[ag]C[ GoAhead NR : B lost a move here ] ;W[af]C[ GoAhead NR : W likewise ] ;B[bf];W[ah];B[aj];W[mn]C[ GoAhead NR : ouch ] ;B[il]C[ GoAhead NR : another 15 points in center for B ] ;W[km]C[ GoAhead NR : last chance for complications ... ] ;B[ml];W[kl]C[ GoAhead NR : comitting suicide ] ;B[jm];W[jn];B[ko]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead claims B+24 with left group dead but center unclear ] ;W[jk];B[ji]C[ GoAhead NR : good move: blocks W's way and protects cut at h12 ManyFaces 10k*: B+49 GoAhead NR : B+26 (but it's worser) ManyFaces 10k*: Hi, I'm back again GoAhead NR : hi again - game is almost over ] ;W[or];B[nr]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: oh, center becomes B's! GoAhead NR : yes, GoAhead is quite bad in pure center mojos GoAhead NR : a bit better, if edge is involved ] ;W[pr];B[es]C[ GoAhead NR : Q10 was the key point - W had oportunities to play there himself GoAhead NR : maybe N9 is worth a try? ManyFaces 10k*: j7, etc atari's get W into B's center pretty far. GoAhead NR : yes, see it ] ;W[hm]C[ GoAhead NR : also gone! ] ;B[hl]C[ GoAhead NR : game pretty hopeless for W now ManyFaces 10k*: w has many big endgames, but no more than 10-15 points possible to catch up. Not enough. ManyFaces 10k*: B+48.5 GoAhead NR : B+23 (must be a bug) GoAhead NR : left hand side and center recognized dead - ??? ] ;W[mr]C[ GoAhead NR : doesn't work ] ;B[kr]C[ GoAhead NR : oops, MF offers presents GoAhead NR : why l2, David - scared of living? ] ;W[ns];B[ol]C[ GoAhead NR : p8 is good enough - W's only remaining chance was to get a cut around p10 (although it doesn't work right now) ] ;W[nq];B[ab]C[ GoAhead NR : large yose play ] ;W[ca];B[ij]C[ GoAhead NR : maybe W(m3) m4 l3 k4 k2 is a possibility ManyFaces 10k*: hi, I'm back again GoAhead NR : hi again ManyFaces 10k*: B+39.5 GoAhead NR : B+15 ] ;W[op]C[ GoAhead NR : seems that I have a bug in my program now GoAhead NR : GoAhead recalculates all shape moves, doesn't use stored information GoAhead NR : therefore extremely slow now ] ;B[se]C[ GoAhead NR : looks like you have to do addtime, or GoAhead will lose on time, David GoAhead NR : I just changed the code yesterday - and not tested it out very well apparently GoAhead NR : too bad GoAhead NR : are you still there, David? ] ;W[sf];B[sd];W[oc];B[ob];W[od];B[mb]C[ GoAhead NR : thank's - that will be enough, I hope! GoAhead NR : (but they are gone in next byo-period, right?) ManyFaces 10k*: B+36.5 GoAhead NR : B+13 (?) ] ;W[la];B[fp]C[ GoAhead NR : what about my idea at m3, David? ManyFaces 10k*: m3 is good, captures 2 stones. GoAhead NR : maybe no more possible now after B(f4) ManyFaces 10k*: Too bad. ManyFaces 10k*: B+39.5 What is GA not seeing? MF's score looks about rightto me. ManyFaces 10k*: does it think your W group on left is alive? GoAhead NR : I don't know - everything seems ok, but B+13 cannot be ] ;W[gp];B[hq]C[ GoAhead NR : safety first ] ;W[fo];B[gq]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead is now about 40sec / move slower than usual GoAhead NR : ... and it's going worser by every move GoAhead NR : I have B+10 now ] ;W[lq];B[ap]C[ GoAhead NR : oh, he listened to me! fine, GoAhead GoAhead NR : MF tries to kill whole W group, right? ManyFaces 10k*: sorry, got a phone call... ManyFaces 10k*: no, just trying to live in the corner. GoAhead NR : if W(l3) and B plays k3?, k4 might win the game for W ManyFaces 10k*: but I don't think MF andswers at K3. GoAhead NR : GoAhead still claims B corner dead ] ;W[lp];B[kq]C[ GoAhead NR : that chance has gone ManyFaces 10k*: B+29.5 GoAhead NR : I don't think that B can live in corner ManyFaces 10k*: static thinks a2 can live (b1 or b4 for 2 eyes). GoAhead NR : hmm ... a2, b1, c1, c3, b2, b4 dead ManyFaces 10k*: Can't live. And MF can read that it can't. But staic eval does no reading. GoAhead NR : ok, I see ] ;W[hi];B[ig]C[ GoAhead NR : h11 doesn't work, but MF is too greedy GoAhead NR : I have W+1 now! ManyFaces 10k*: B+28.5 ] ;W[hh];B[hj]C[ GoAhead NR : this way is ok, j13 destroys as much as h11 does ] ;W[if];B[ho]C[ GoAhead NR : oh that will confuse GoAhead GoAhead NR : he only sees a cut at g5, but not the cuts j7/g7 (miai) after B(h6) ] ;W[go];B[hn]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: MF understands all of this kind of double cut threat. ManyFaces 10k*: but you can push at h4 and take back lots of points. GoAhead NR : aha, interesting ManyFaces 10k*: Good for you. GoAhead NR : I fear he connect the wrong cut now ] ;W[hp];B[io]C[ GoAhead NR : he will play j7 now - too bad ] ;W[im];B[gm];W[jl];B[jo]C[ GoAhead NR : center recognized as dead again, but still B+4 ] ;W[ip];B[lr]C[ GoAhead NR : j4 1 point gote play - bad ] ;W[mq];B[ll]C[ GoAhead NR : I've got a quite bad internet connection again. Maybe I'll get bounced off again soon GoAhead NR : m8 defends against n9? GoAhead NR : still B+3 ... ] ;W[jp];B[kj]C[ GoAhead NR : MF apparently does not think that center is clean dead ] ;W[kg];B[kf]C[ GoAhead NR : if you are still there, I would please you to addtime once again, David GoAhead NR : good response (MF is clearly superior in cutting and connecting) ] ;W[jf];B[jg];W[jq];B[jr]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: Black is winning by 41 GoAhead NR : Are you still there, David? ] ;W[ls];B[fn]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: I'm back. ManyFaces 10k*: B+43.5 ManyFaces 10k*: B picked up some points here. ] ;W[eo];B[oi]C[ GoAhead NR : I would please you to addtime once again, David GoAhead NR : thank you ManyFaces 10k*: B+46 GoAhead NR : I have B+16 GoAhead NR : could it be, that MF doesn't count LL corner as W's territory? ManyFaces 10k*: yes. Now is B+27.5. ManyFaces 10k*: user score function uses static life function - thatough B was unsettled. ] ;W[cs];B[ka]C[ GoAhead NR : hmm, W(c1) was strange GoAhead NR : maybe some shortage of liberties for W involved ManyFaces 10k*: will be close game - maybe between 10 and 20 points. ] ;W[ii];B[jh]C[ GoAhead NR : I think I can explain GoAhead's miscalculation of the score... GoAhead NR : now that l19 is played out, he could calculate, that B is alive GoAhead NR : before, he gave some minus points for a "weak group" ] ;W[pl]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: I see. For user score (which I report), all points are whole numbers. ManyFaces 10k*: I can't see internal evaluation score with this version. GoAhead NR : could you explain the difference? ManyFaces 10k*: when user asks for score, I show white terr, black terr, neutral. ManyFaces 10k*: all are either 0 or 1 point. ManyFaces 10k*: internally MF uses fractional points for influence, and bonus, etc for weak groups. GoAhead NR : ok. ] ;B[om]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: B+26.5 GoAhead NR : B+16 GoAhead NR : aditionally, GoAhead's score is including komi ManyFaces 10k*: MF also includes komi. ] ;W[ok];B[pk]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: I need debug version to see internal repreentation. GoAhead NR : p9 doesn't work again ManyFaces 10k*: users want to see whole points or they get confused. ManyFaces 10k*: should have atari'd first. GoAhead NR : I see GoAhead NR : game is decided now GoAhead NR : no chances for blunders left ] ;W[on];B[qi]C[ GoAhead NR : but I finish in order to get an exact score, ok? ManyFaces 10k*: B+33 GoAhead NR : B+34 (temporarily) ] ;W[ri];B[ph]C[ GoAhead NR : back to B+20 ] ;W[rh];B[pg]C[ GoAhead NR : bad move - costs points ] ;W[of];B[eq]C[ GoAhead NR : B+21 ManyFaces 10k*: B+33 ] ;W[qj];B[pi];W[ni];B[nh]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: B+34.5 GoAhead NR : B+21 ] ;W[oh];B[mi]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: close one. GoAhead NR : well, close for computer vs. computer matches maybe ManyFaces 10k*: I meant W almost caught a big group. GoAhead NR : I see, but I think MF has read it all out ManyFaces 10k*: yes, I think so, since only 2 liberties. ManyFaces 10k*: still, I always worry. GoAhead NR : I know that feeling, David ] ;W[ma];B[ks]C[ freestone 5k*: surely yime for k7 by now? freestone 5k*: ; oh dead stones, sorry. ManyFaces 10k*: what time is it there now? GoAhead NR : it's 0:30 am ] ;W[ir];B[jm]C[ GoAhead NR : I'm pretty relaxed today, because I didn't expect to have a chance with White in an even game ManyFaces 10k*: maybe some chance for W now? GoAhead NR : I don't see anything - please explain ManyFaces 10k*: nothing really there. GoAhead NR : don't worry - be happy ] ;W[im];B[jn]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead apparently likes to try moves in endgame, which doesn't really work GoAhead NR : sometimes he succeeds tricking other computer programs GoAhead NR : (not a very polite way of playing but sometimes successful) ] ;W[jj]C[ GoAhead NR : see? ] ;B[kk]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: worth trying if you are behind. GoAhead NR : uh, at first glance I thought this was a terrible error - but its ok ManyFaces 10k*: MF doesn't always find the cleanest defense, just one that works. GoAhead NR : just like GoAhead GoAhead NR : especially in calculating L&D - if he can read it out ... GoAhead NR : he sometimes produces moves that actually live, but ... GoAhead NR : cost a lot of territory ManyFaces 10k*: same for MF, like on left side and lower right. GoAhead NR : I think that the disadvantage of "goal directed reading" GoAhead NR : the only true goal is to win the game GoAhead NR : I think that computer go is still in childhood stage ] ;W[na]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: B+30.5 GoAhead NR : still B+19 ] ;B[oa];W[jc];B[hb]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: this move was not the best defense - leaves a ko threat. ManyFaces 10k*: evaluation can't tell difference - don't count ko threats. ] ;W[qg];B[nj];W[jd];B[pd]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: I worried that GA would get this move. GoAhead NR : yes, he could have played there anytime he wanted to GoAhead NR : (but it's only 1 point) still worrying? ManyFaces 10k*: was worried that GA could take part of UR corner. ] ;W[oe];B[ms]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: B+27.5 ManyFaces 10k*: GA played well on edges. MF won with big center. ] ;W[ac];B[ad]C[ GoAhead NR : agree. My algorithmus for mojos is bad for purely center territory GoAhead NR : sometimes, GoAhead is able to get ahead in fuseki GoAhead NR : MF likes to create high and strong, but sometimes rather pointless groups GoAhead NR : maybe good against humans (who all want to kill, trick MF) GoAhead NR : but bad against other computers (sometimes) ] ;W[fm];B[ae]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: focus on life/death rather than territory. Sometimes can't see ManyFaces 10k*: how to make two eyes on edge so runs away instead and gives up terr. ManyFaces 10k*: now is playing safe since it is ahead - make sure W stones stay dead. GoAhead NR : so the only real chance for GoAhead is that MF blunders several times in fuseki stage GoAhead NR : MF is clearly superior in all other topics as far as I have tried ManyFaces 10k*: MF will not take big points on side first, then gives up lots of ManyFaces 10k*: terr in middle game, sometimes tries to hard to attack. ] ;W[fn];B[ls]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: o7 - neither one plays there. GoAhead NR : maybe this is something you could look at ManyFaces 10k*: I've already fixed a lot of the big point issues. ] ;W[nc];B[mc];W[gh];B[nm]C[ GoAhead NR : MF really likes to cut the enemy - he cuts where he can cut ManyFaces 10k*: yes, that is a general rule. GoAhead NR : (right) ManyFaces 10k*: Oh well... GoAhead NR : ... and he plays very solid connections himself GoAhead NR : and together with his excellent knowlegde of eyeshape, he's a fierce fighter ] ;W[gj];B[fi]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: that's the idea - also good string tactics. GoAhead NR : he usually kills at least one group of GoAhead (this time left middle edge) GoAhead NR : this time, the killing damage was acceptable ] ;W[mm];B[dd]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: B+25.5 GoAhead NR : B+23 GoAhead NR : they are going to agree ] ;W[pm];B[nl]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: B+25.5 GoAhead NR : B+21 GoAhead NR : MF is kind of vulnerable to checking moves in fuseki GoAhead NR : you just have to check and MF rushes into the center GoAhead NR : I think if you could improve MF in fuseki, he'll become even stronger ] ;W[ee];B[fk]C[ GoAhead NR : seems to me, that both keep balance in endgame stage GoAhead NR : balance = keep the distance of points ManyFaces 10k*: GA picked up a lot on lower right GoAhead NR : yes, MF didn't react properly against GA's clamp ManyFaces 10k*: yes. missing pattern no doubt. ManyFaces 10k*: only UL corner left. ] ;W[ki];B[ik]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: next Monday, MF has W, no komi, right? GoAhead NR : yes, I'm looking forward to next Monday GoAhead NR : ... and I want to see MF streching to edge after such a clamp next Monday, ok? ManyFaces 10k*: don't count on it. But you will see some big moves on edge GoAhead NR : whow! GoAhead NR : (but that diminishes GA's chances - too bad) ManyFaces 10k*: now B+24.5 GoAhead NR : B+22 ] ;W[kh];B[jj];W[ai];B[ek]C[ GoAhead NR : no ataris left now GoAhead NR : did you improve MF since it played the series against Ego? ManyFaces 10k*: yes, a lot, especially in double cuts. GoAhead NR : good job GoAhead NR : I was surprised that Ego could win one even game ] ;W[tt];B[aa]C[ GoAhead NR : I think ManyFaces is one dimension better than Ego, Explorer and GoAhead GoAhead NR : ... then a small gap to Indigo and a larger one to Gogol and Poka GoAhead NR : ... gottago is probably a lot stronger than its position on ladder indicates ] ;W[ba];B[ac]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: but MF not as good as handtalk or intellect :-( GoAhead NR : I don't know them unfortunately ManyFaces 10k*: Martin calls MF the strongest Amateur program. GoAhead NR : funny ManyFaces 10k*: handtalk is about 2 stones better than MF. MF wins about 5% even games. GoAhead NR : maybe that's enough to win world championship at least one time! ] ;W[tt];B[ib]C[ GoAhead NR : oops another small gift ManyFaces 10k*: another playing safe move. GoAhead NR : only if ahead, right? ManyFaces 10k*: it only makes such moves when more than 20 points ahead. ] ;W[tt];B[tt]C[ ManyFaces 10k*: MF won't take off dead stones - you have to do all of them. ] ;)