(; GM[1]US[Brought to you by IGS] CoPyright[ Copyright (c) I.Net Technologies, Inc. 1995 Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given. No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood. Use of this game is an understanding and agreement of this notice. ] GN[GoAhead-Explorer(B) IGS]RE[W+Resign] PW[GoAhead]WR[NR ]NW[ 0.0] PB[Explorer]BR[NR ]NB[ 0.0] PC[IGS: igs.nuri.net 6969]DT[1996-05-19] SZ[19]TM[30'+45'/25]KM[5.5]LT[] ;B[dq]BL[1794]C[ Explorer NR : Let's Go! ] ;W[dd]WL[1762]C[ GoAhead NR : Let's speak English? Explorer NR : yeah ] ;B[qc]BL[1749] ;W[qq]WL[1747] ;B[co]BL[1740]C[ GoAhead NR : I studied some Ex-games on the web ... GoAhead NR : seems that Ex is somewhat stronger than the programs below. Explorer NR : I hope so...but maybe not enough to stop GoAhead ] ;W[pd]WL[1730]C[ Explorer NR : say so you know all its weaknesses ] ;B[qd]BL[1708] ;W[pc]WL[1721] ;B[qe]BL[1697]C[ Explorer NR : sh GoAhead NR : Does Ex know this sequence as joseki? Explorer NR : well it is not joseki... GoAhead NR : I think Q15 instead of R15 was joseki ] ;W[lc]WL[1690] ;B[ph]BL[1682]C[ GoAhead NR : what's your personel strength, Martin? Explorer NR : 5d in europe, 6d here ] ;W[pn]WL[1648]C[ Explorer NR : I don't know o17, joseki is q15 or q14 ] ;B[pk]BL[1646] ;W[cg]WL[1623] ;B[kq]BL[1631]C[ GoAhead NR : So, you are at least the strongest go-programming player ... Explorer NR : no, many are strong players GoAhead NR : Since I'm only 7k, I would appreciate any go-related comments ] ;W[dr]WL[1574] ;B[er]BL[1615]C[ Explorer NR : wow, fancy :) ] ;W[eq]WL[1559]C[ GoAhead NR : what do you think about white's invasion so soon? Explorer NR : its ok. but e17 more normal GoAhead NR : I see. ] ;B[cr]BL[1590] ;W[dp]WL[1552] ;B[cq]BL[1558] ;W[fr]WL[1545] ;B[ds]BL[1541] ;W[fo]WL[1537]C[ Explorer NR : q9 was bad, too small ] ;B[fq]BL[1520] ;W[gq]WL[1523]C[ Explorer NR : explorer does not know this sabaki... GoAhead NR : GoAhead also not - but joseki sequence ] ;B[ep]BL[1482] ;W[fp]WL[1515] ;B[eq]BL[1467]C[ Explorer NR : good result for w ] ;W[hr]WL[1476]C[ GoAhead NR : you shouldn't have said that Explorer NR : too bad ] ;B[do]BL[1448]C[ GoAhead NR : the problem: Somewhere the Joseki library ends... ] ;W[ec]WL[1443] ;B[nq]BL[1434]C[ GoAhead NR : cut at g4 is severe GoAhead NR : should black have cut immediately? ] ;W[cd]WL[1407] ;B[ir]BL[1418]C[ GoAhead NR : C16 bad move Explorer NR : no, o3 was fine Explorer NR : j2 strange ] ;W[iq]WL[1375]C[ GoAhead NR : struggeling for life at edge? ] ;B[jr]BL[1396]C[ Explorer NR : trying to steal your eye space here... ] ;W[ho]WL[1323]C[ GoAhead NR : Anyway, white should handle it's left bottom group lightly, a thing that GoAhead is not able to do. Explorer NR : haha, you're scared! GoAhead NR : yes. ] ;B[dk]BL[1378]C[ Explorer NR : ex evaluates the top side invasion much too low ] ;W[lf]WL[1285]C[ Explorer NR : you will get a HUGE area there ] ;B[ci]BL[1359]C[ GoAhead NR : How does Ex judge the score? Explorer NR : B+11, but it is just a random number GoAhead NR : I have a close match W+0 (!) Explorer NR : I think it is close, too, but W is a bit better GoAhead NR : I'm worried about white's right lower corner ] ;W[nn]WL[1204] ;B[ei]BL[1345]C[ GoAhead NR : also big black mojo. GoAhead NR : (more or less already territory) Explorer NR : only 1/3 of yours ] ;W[id]WL[1162] ;B[fg]BL[1329]C[ GoAhead NR : good move! Explorer NR : yes, but too late GoAhead NR : Ex reduces nicely ] ;W[qb]WL[1128] ;B[rb]BL[1314]C[ Explorer NR : r7 r8 area is big GoAhead NR : Here we have a problem of GoAhead: defending his mojos is a problem ] ;W[pb]WL[1074]C[ Explorer NR : score now W+15 ] ;B[pp]BL[1296]C[ Explorer NR : hmm, helping you GoAhead NR : W+3 Explorer NR : W+6 GoAhead NR : will Ex cut after r4? Explorer NR : no, guess not GoAhead NR : then yes ] ;W[qp]WL[1023] ;B[pq]BL[1283]C[ Explorer NR : at least this group gets a bit stronger GoAhead NR : not a bad game for computer vs. computer so far, I think ] ;W[po]WL[982]C[ Explorer NR : agree. I've seen worse things happen... GoAhead NR : indeed. ] ;B[qr]BL[1260]C[ Explorer NR : haha, copying your moves GoAhead NR : all groups are strong now (except white's lower middle, but not too bad) ] ;W[rr]WL[921]C[ GoAhead NR : dito. ] ;B[pr]BL[1245]C[ GoAhead NR : important move now. If you were white - where to play, Martin? Explorer NR : r8, or forcing around e7 ] ;W[ql]WL[871]C[ Explorer NR : wow GoAhead NR : Hey, GoAhead agrees with a 6d !!! ] ;B[qk]BL[1226] ;W[pl]WL[840] ;B[ol]BL[1213]C[ GoAhead NR : S9 better instead Explorer NR : s8 better for both Explorer NR : or s9 for you Explorer NR : p8 very bad ] ;W[ok]WL[795]C[ GoAhead NR : now the fun has started! ] ;B[nl]BL[1200]C[ Explorer NR : in this fight, B has nothing to gain and much to lose GoAhead NR : what could he lose? I don't see any weaknesses. ] ;W[nk]WL[743] ;B[ml]BL[1187]C[ Explorer NR : p8 group is weak, and around r11 weak too GoAhead NR : on the contrary, white might get into troubles with his corner *and* with his lower edge group GoAhead NR : well, but you are the 6d. ] ;W[oi]WL[670]C[ GoAhead NR : B(s8) now? GoAhead NR : Ex takes more time now? Explorer NR : sorry, I was out of the room ] ;B[rk]BL[1031]C[ Explorer NR : hmm strange ] ;W[rl]WL[606]C[ GoAhead NR : things are getting calmly now ] ;B[kn]BL[1014]C[ GoAhead NR : very good move! Explorer NR : q11 must be protected, B in troubles GoAhead NR : W in troubles now, I think ] ;W[pi]WL[526] ;B[qi]BL[998]C[ Explorer NR : maybe r12 would have worked GoAhead NR : interesting. Now B's shape is good, isn't it? Explorer NR : no, B will lose one side or the other ] ;W[qh]WL[463] ;B[rh]BL[960] ;W[qg]WL[419]C[ GoAhead NR : W(r10) instead of r13 better? Explorer NR : r13 is best ] ;B[pg]BL[915]C[ Explorer NR : ouch. does not work GoAhead NR : I'm not sure that GoAhead finds S11 now Explorer NR : I hope not :) ] ;W[rg]WL[358]C[ GoAhead NR : that's computer go ] ;B[ri]BL[874]C[ Explorer NR : Q14 and you're fine GoAhead NR : yes, I see. GoAhead NR : GoAhead now takes more time, trying to read out life& death of created groups ... ] ;W[pf]WL[277] ;B[pe]BL[846]C[ Explorer NR : trying to trick you GoAhead NR : interesting aproach: giving up two stones for escape GoAhead NR : what's the trick, please tell me Explorer NR : trick isif you answer p15 GoAhead NR : ok. ] ;W[og]WL[178]C[ Explorer NR : but no suck luck, all dead ] ;B[oe]BL[806]C[ GoAhead NR : difficult for B now - 2 very weak groups GoAhead NR : W+35 now Explorer NR : yes, B completely lost here GoAhead NR : GoAhead consideres B stones around S11 as dead. ] ;W[oh]WL[106]C[ GoAhead NR : oops. ] ;B[em]BL[783]C[ Explorer NR : don't know why it missed q11, it looks so urgent GoAhead NR : I agree. I'm often working on such obvious moves GoAhead NR : Let's see what happens here GoAhead NR : this time, you are in offense Explorer NR : ex considers r17 group dead, too GoAhead NR : GoAhead not. And S11? Explorer NR : both groups dead GoAhead NR : is entering byo-yomi ] ;W[if]WL[2697]C[ GoAhead NR : oh, oh ... ] ;B[gl]BL[747]C[ GoAhead NR : score? Explorer NR : W+100 GoAhead NR : whow! ] ;W[ih]WL[2642]C[ Explorer NR : but that is pessimistic, I think it is 50-60 now GoAhead NR : hmm, I'm not pleased how W handels his weak bottom group ... ] ;B[im]BL[726]C[ GoAhead NR : now, W must struggle ... GoAhead NR : W+44 ] ;W[li]WL[2592]C[ GoAhead NR : oh, oh ... GoAhead NR : I don't understand my program. ] ;B[kk]BL[699]C[ GoAhead NR : If B kills W bottom group, it's a close match again? Explorer NR : maybe not close, but closer :) ] ;W[od]WL[2542] ;B[me]BL[659]C[ GoAhead NR : B can live in upper right corner s14, t13, s19 Explorer NR : agree GoAhead NR : then B leads! ] ;W[nd]WL[2452]C[ Explorer NR : but Life&Death thinks s15 is best, and that it does not work ] ;B[hj]BL[631]C[ GoAhead NR : why did Ex play N15 if stones considered as dead? - invasion? Explorer NR : the problem is that life&death does not know about connections to other groups Explorer NR : it only knows about 2 eyes GoAhead NR : I see, also have problems with that. ] ;W[le]WL[2381] ;B[bh]BL[610]C[ GoAhead NR : but even then, S14 is natural Explorer NR : yes, don't know what is wrong GoAhead NR : W stones at bottom are marked "?", but GoAhead refuses to play there! ] ;W[ne]WL[2300]C[ GoAhead NR : ouch Explorer NR : same here, it thinks W unsettled, but cannot find an attacking move GoAhead NR : you have another chance ... ] ;B[mf]BL[584]C[ Explorer NR : ouch2 GoAhead NR : you could say that! GoAhead NR : guess next move! Explorer NR : o14 ] ;W[nf]WL[2208]C[ GoAhead NR : good bet. GoAhead NR : N13 now? GoAhead NR : will Ex invade on upper side somewhen? Explorer NR : no invasion, just f15 or so GoAhead NR : well, f15 is big ] ;B[bg]BL[531]C[ GoAhead NR : good Explorer NR : also thinking about k4 now ] ;W[cf]WL[2146] ;B[ge]BL[512]C[ Explorer NR : wrong shape GoAhead NR : could you explain, please? Explorer NR : keima is easy to cut. at least it should play h13 first, then here GoAhead NR : many ways to kill W stones at bottom Explorer NR : no, hard to kill ] ;W[bf]WL[2091]C[ GoAhead NR : ouch3! ] ;B[gc]BL[494]C[ GoAhead NR : Ex is pretty good in reducing Explorer NR : especially reducing its own groups to dead GoAhead NR : (funny) GoAhead NR : W+26 Explorer NR : W+68 ] ;W[hc]WL[1997]C[ GoAhead NR : so we have two dead groups on board, which are not dead ?! Explorer NR : please explain GoAhead NR : well, R15 may live, H5 may life, but no program plays there Explorer NR : I know - but why? ] ;B[gb]BL[473] ;W[fb]WL[1936] ;B[gh]BL[447]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead doesn't see any good moves at bottom, and R16 group is too large to be calculated dead or alive Explorer NR : g16 a problem GoAhead NR : GoAhead wil not play G16, be sure ] ;W[hb]WL[1855] ;B[jp]BL[424]C[ Explorer NR : here we go GoAhead NR : is Ex good in killing? Explorer NR : yes! especially killing itself! GoAhead NR : (funny) Please wait a minute, I must make a coffee, Martin ] ;W[gd]WL[1781]C[ GoAhead NR : I WAS WRONG! ] ;B[he]BL[315]C[ Explorer NR : ouch4 GoAhead NR : ok, coffe mashine is doing it's work. There's definitely a bug in my code concerning the decision whether to play locally or play tennuki. GoAhead NR : I must look at that. ] ;W[fd]WL[1700]C[ Explorer NR : how do you decide that? ] ;B[ie]BL[289]C[ GoAhead NR : I try to evaluate the strength of attacked groups and strengths of surrounding groups Explorer NR : then? GoAhead NR : there's a switch, forcing GoAhead to generate only local moves - or not ] ;W[je]WL[1621]C[ GoAhead NR : When I play Go, I'm often in "local mode" Explorer NR : I do something similar, but very crude: I increase local values for some Explorer NR : types of moves ] ;B[jd]BL[225]C[ Explorer NR : oops5 GoAhead NR : Explorer bounces back? Explorer NR : if you k14 ex just loses points that's all ] ;W[sd]WL[1548]C[ GoAhead NR : *if* ... Explorer NR : (smile) GoAhead NR : (grumble) ] ;B[jc]BL[185]C[ Explorer NR : oops9999 GoAhead NR : oh, number was 6! Explorer NR : oops6 Explorer NR : at least it loses points IN SENTE! ] ;W[jf]WL[1444]C[ GoAhead NR : (smile!) ] ;B[hd]BL[162]C[ GoAhead NR : coffee is ready - cheers! Explorer NR : I switched to milk... GoAhead NR : oops, my fault! Ex was a genius! Explorer NR : thanks! ] ;W[jb]WL[1378]C[ Explorer NR : j18 would be good now ] ;B[kb]BL[112]C[ Explorer NR : this bad, if you j18 now GoAhead NR : too complicated for me. Why not simply J17? - bigger? Explorer NR : if I j17, you j18 and are fine Explorer NR : if I j18, you must g19, then j17, you capture, then I can L18 GoAhead NR : ok. ] ;W[ja]WL[1257]C[ GoAhead NR : strange wnewman NR : not b 199 @ j18 Explorer NR : j18 still good Explorer NR : but ex cannot read 'capture one of these' ] ;B[ib]BL[23]C[ Explorer NR : wow! ] ;W[ga]WL[1211]C[ GoAhead NR : B has pretty good chances to win now GoAhead NR : W's mojo is devasted Explorer NR : if g3 dies it is close game now GoAhead NR : Ex *has* bounced back !!! Explorer NR : is entering byo-yomi ] ;B[ma]BL[2633]C[ Explorer NR : oops7 Explorer NR : switched back to self-destruction :( ] ;W[ia]WL[1156]C[ GoAhead NR : well, doesn't hurt so much, I think GoAhead NR : B is connected and N19 probably large GoAhead NR : am I wrong? Explorer NR : capturing stones would have been much safer and also bigger ] ;B[ic]BL[2448]C[ GoAhead NR : one could even think about W(l17) now Explorer NR : no, then L19 GoAhead NR : oh yes, my fault ] ;W[ha]WL[1104]C[ GoAhead NR : B(h19) bad. better capture instead Explorer NR : same thing ] ;B[mb]BL[2386]C[ Explorer NR : ??????? GoAhead NR : Ex doesn't like to defend cuts? Explorer NR : it prefers to build an eye here... big bug Explorer NR : one eye not enough GoAhead NR : might have something to do with "connection" to N15 group? Explorer NR : no, just a bug ] ;W[mg]WL[1013]C[ GoAhead NR : ??????? GoAhead NR : Ex will now connect? Explorer NR : probably not, it will continue working on an eye ] ;B[ka]BL[2310]C[ Explorer NR : it thinks eye is a little bit better than connection Explorer NR : because of the extra points ] ;W[fa]WL[958]C[ GoAhead NR : building eyes when possible to connect is bad Explorer NR : why bad? If it is TWO eyes I mean GoAhead NR : ok, you are the 6d ] ;B[kc]BL[2261]C[ GoAhead NR : has entered byo-yomi again Explorer NR : wow GoAhead NR : although eye is not completed! Explorer NR : if you have several ways to make it safe, you want to maximize points, no? GoAhead NR : I see. But you must be careful ... Explorer NR : agree, connecting is safer ] ;W[mc]WL[2623]C[ Explorer NR : L17, m18 almost same value. just lucky GoAhead NR : bad luck for GoAhead ] ;B[ke]BL[2218]C[ Explorer NR : oh my god! it is now attacking the big white group!!!! GoAhead NR : R16 group is still marked "?". GoAhead will lose more moves there ] ;W[nb]WL[2546]C[ GoAhead NR : outcome of the game is decided by W's group around G3. Explorer NR : probably. but many other things can go wrong GoAhead NR : since I have a bug here, I think you win ] ;B[na]BL[2141]C[ Explorer NR : still attacking you... ] ;W[oa]WL[2492]C[ Explorer NR : most of your territories get evaluated as 0 eyes GoAhead NR : but dead stones inside - almost equal to eyes, right? Explorer NR : it is just a bug, nothing rational ] ;B[oc]BL[2077]C[ Explorer NR : haha! GoAhead NR : funny! Explorer NR : does that kill you now or what :)) GoAhead NR : maybe! ] ;W[re]WL[2433]C[ Explorer NR : I hope ex thinks you're dead now GoAhead NR : what's his score? ] ;B[sg]BL[1991]C[ Explorer NR : B+8 GoAhead NR : W+14 ] ;W[pj]WL[2367]C[ GoAhead NR : oh, oh Explorer NR : s14 gives Ko GoAhead NR : can Ex play ko? Explorer NR : no, you still win Explorer NR : it knows about Ko, but is not very good at it Explorer NR : doing a deep L&D search now. hope it helps wnewman NR : w 140 @ q10 seems to be a characteristically non-human way to solve the problem GoAhead NR : B(s14) r14 t14 s17 seems to win semiai Explorer NR : agree ] ;B[sj]BL[1852] ;W[rf]WL[2301]C[ Explorer NR : solid. no chance now GoAhead NR : agree GoAhead NR : (but I'm not sure, if GoAhead finds B(r10) t12 GoAhead NR : (he should, however) ] ;B[sh]BL[1750]C[ Explorer NR : why not? looks easy GoAhead NR : I never know what comes out if GoAhead calculates L&D ] ;W[qj]WL[2251] ;B[hg]BL[1703]C[ Explorer NR : good. I was worrying about g14 later GoAhead NR : yes, I've been looking at that ] ;W[ig]WL[2189]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAhead has calculated both B groups dead now - W+26 ] ;B[op]BL[1662]C[ Explorer NR : ex thinks W dead too -> B+8 Explorer NR : I mean W g3 group GoAhead NR : P4 bad, s1 obvious huge yose move ] ;W[om]WL[2119]C[ Explorer NR : s1 is #3 on explorer's list ] ;B[ef]BL[1626]C[ Explorer NR : n5 is very big too, but it does not see GoAhead NR : GoAhead has changed to endgame mode ] ;W[kf]WL[2061] ;B[kd]BL[1589] ;W[mp]WL[2001]C[ Explorer NR : what is different in endgame mode? GoAhead NR : more points for endgame calculations ] ;B[mq]BL[1509] ;W[jo]WL[1933]C[ GoAhead NR : this time, he connects Explorer NR : yes I was afraid he would play something stupid to make eyes Explorer NR : here we go! ] ;B[ko]BL[1462]C[ Explorer NR : may I ask a question: if you have a workstation, why use the slow machine? GoAhead NR : good question. My program is written in special GFA-Basic for Atari - no chance to put this on my workstation Explorer NR : oh, i c GoAhead NR : J4 now and some eye shape Explorer NR : is this compiled Basic at least? GoAhead NR : yes ] ;W[ip]WL[1862] ;B[lp]BL[1423]C[ Explorer NR : ex thinks you're alive now, score W+41 GoAhead NR : hope so ] ;W[in]WL[1810] ;B[mo]BL[1389]C[ Explorer NR : ouch27 GoAhead NR : this time, GoAhead has made the correct decision: keep on playing at his weak group GoAhead NR : even if cost some stones Explorer NR : good ] ;W[mn]WL[1729] ;B[no]BL[1355]C[ GoAhead NR : M7 not bad now GoAhead NR : (but I would prefer H7) ] ;W[km]WL[1656]C[ Explorer NR : nose tesuji? GoAhead NR : no, endgame calculation GoAhead NR : (doesn't work) ] ;B[jl]BL[1305]C[ Explorer NR : ouch 73 ] ;W[jm]WL[1570]C[ GoAhead NR : I have an intesting talk with wnewman now (simultaneously) GoAhead NR : K7 ouch Explorer NR : what's he saying? ] ;B[hm]BL[1239]C[ GoAhead NR : he's impressed GoAhead NR : also about Ataris and other mashines Explorer NR : I think you can beat ego easily. did you look at ex-ego game? GoAhead NR : yes, I think so GoAhead NR : H7 was vital point? ] ;W[jn]WL[1492]C[ Explorer NR : did you play test games with ego? GoAhead NR : GoAhead usually wins again EzGo share ware ] ;B[lk]BL[1203]C[ GoAhead NR : oh, GoAhead can connect now! Explorer NR : yes ] ;W[dn]WL[1405] ;B[en]BL[1153]C[ Explorer NR : did you really d6? GoAhead NR : yes Explorer NR : ok ] ;W[jq]WL[1331] ;B[kp]BL[1113]C[ GoAhead NR : Maybe wnewman will try a 9-stone handicap match against GoAhead! ] ;W[ln]WL[1266]C[ Explorer NR : has entered byo-yomi again GoAhead NR : ouch ] ;B[mj]BL[2672]C[ GoAhead NR : now, it's a crosscut - GoAhead will connect I think GoAhead NR : N8 is even sente! ] ;W[mi]WL[1188]C[ GoAhead NR : damn! Explorer NR : I know how it feels ] ;B[gn]BL[2608]C[ GoAhead NR : yes, it simply hurts ] ;W[mm]WL[1114]C[ GoAhead NR : uff GoAhead NR : what's the score now? Explorer NR : about W+40 ] ;B[mk]BL[2513]C[ Explorer NR : W+41 GoAhead NR : but B(n9) was no point! GoAhead NR : GoAhead: W+30 ] ;W[ll]WL[1030]C[ Explorer NR : B was afraid, did not see m8 is sente GoAhead NR : I see. Explorer NR : this is not a point, too :) Explorer NR : do you look for sente moves? GoAhead NR : yes, I try during endgame move calculations ] ;B[go]BL[2423]C[ GoAhead NR : ... just a bit late Explorer NR : very good. I don't. only some 'sente' patterns GoAhead NR : may have better results than mine ] ;W[gp]WL[966]C[ GoAhead NR : sounds good, but results are quite bad Explorer NR : apparently not. E.g. A14 should be sente pattern, but it does not play it ] ;B[ji]BL[2359]C[ GoAhead NR : has entered byo-yomi again Explorer NR : do you consider rewriting program for faster machines? GoAhead NR : that would require lot of time - difficult Explorer NR : I am now working on a C++ version of Explorer. About 30% done GoAhead NR : good luck with it! ] ;W[ld]WL[2593]C[ GoAhead NR : B must be careful now ] ;B[kh]BL[2312]C[ Explorer NR : so I do not work on the Modula code anymore GoAhead NR : what is larger: L12 or 3 stones around N19? Explorer NR : b thinks this is more urgent than 3 stones, but it is wrong Explorer NR : m18 is 8 points Explorer NR : this about 4-5 GoAhead NR : thx ] ;W[lb]WL[2501]C[ Explorer NR : but you should m18 yourself before m16 ] ;B[rs]BL[2266]C[ Explorer NR : finally! GoAhead NR : S1 huge. how many points, Martin? ] ;W[sq]WL[2431]C[ GoAhead NR : 4 in sente? Explorer NR : about 13 for counting purposes, or '4 in sente' Explorer NR : sente because you answer. 4 points = o1, t1, t2, t3 ] ;B[de]BL[2198]C[ GoAhead NR : B(d15) bad - invalidates a14 Explorer NR : agree ] ;W[ce]WL[2326] ;B[af]BL[2159]C[ Explorer NR : good example of bad technique! GoAhead NR : right ] ;W[ae]WL[2248]C[ GoAhead NR : GoAHead: W+23 - things are getting closer! Explorer NR : agree, W+23+komi GoAhead NR : GoAhead including komi Explorer NR : Ex W+23 on board, so W+28 total ] ;B[ag]BL[2113]C[ GoAhead NR : J1 would be good sente move Explorer NR : but where can I get 30 points? looks hard GoAhead NR : probably GoAhead NR : (but so many things may happen in computer go) ] ;W[ee]WL[2172]C[ Explorer NR : if you don't mind I want to play till the end GoAhead NR : of course, we do! Explorer NR : anything below 60 is close in computer Go! ] ;B[df]BL[2048]C[ GoAhead NR : will Ex try to invade W's upper left corner? Explorer NR : no. GoAhead NR : good for GoAhead ] ;W[gi]WL[2095]C[ GoAhead NR : hmm - strange Explorer NR : like d6 before ] ;B[gj]BL[2010]C[ Explorer NR : aua GoAhead NR : weia Explorer NR : 4 point loss GoAhead NR : E6 was clever against D6 instead Explorer NR : clever? well... ] ;W[hi]WL[2000]C[ Explorer NR : g10, h11 had exactly the same value. bad luck... ] ;B[fi]BL[1972]C[ Explorer NR : strange, it did not see that h11 is a cut, and a capture GoAhead NR : please explain Explorer NR : h11 cuts off your stone, and it should also be captured pretty quickly, no? GoAhead NR : ok. GoAhead NR : sorry, I do not see much today ] ;W[ij]WL[1915]C[ GoAhead NR : J10 bad again Explorer NR : yes, but could become problem for j17 later ] ;B[ii]BL[1881]C[ GoAhead NR : yes, I just wanted to point this out - but you were faster GoAhead NR : (but there's no real danger: W(h12) h14 and nothing happens) ] ;W[hh]WL[1832]C[ Explorer NR : there may be no real danger with optimal play, but there is a real danger! GoAhead NR : (smile) ] ;B[jj]BL[1828]C[ Explorer NR : see? GoAhead NR : yes. ] ;W[hf]WL[1706]C[ GoAhead NR : Ex is not willing to give away H13 stone? Explorer NR : probably ] ;B[gg]BL[1750]C[ GoAhead NR : oh, oh Explorer NR : that's the problem with my local-answer method. L19 block is not local... GoAhead NR : W(M19) and K16 stones killed Explorer NR : yes ] ;W[gf]WL[1600]C[ Explorer NR : ex saw it, but local move got priority. too bad GoAhead NR : GoAhead saw that M19 takes stones, but G14 also got a huge value - ??? ] ;B[is]BL[1675]C[ GoAhead NR : I hear the toilet flushing ... GoAhead NR : OUCH!!! H16/K16 stones are considered dead! Explorer NR : same problem here... ] ;W[ff]WL[1507]C[ GoAhead NR : this move was not calculated according to life&death of B's groups. GoAhead NR : (just a sente yose play) Explorer NR : f15 would have escaped by Ko GoAhead NR : f15 m19 Explorer NR : ok, resign ]; )