(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[DeepGnu]PB[jacqueline]DT[2008-10-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[DeepGnu [-\]: GTP Engine for DeepGnu (white): GNU Go version 3.7.12 ]RE[W+88.50] ;B[ee]BL[1774.523] ;W[ce]WL[1799.766] ;B[cd]BL[1727.861] ;W[bd]WL[1799.39]C[gunnar [?\]: Wow, this board is huge. I'm only been studying 6x6 the last weeks. :-) ] ;B[dd]BL[1710.749] ;W[bf]WL[1798.16]C[gunnar [?\]: B6 looks rather low. ] ;B[gf]BL[1698.785] ;W[gc]WL[1797.839] ;B[bc]BL[1688.036] ;W[db]WL[1796.639]C[dwbump: GNU is playing at level 12 but it seems awfully fast ] ;B[cg]BL[1675.036] ;W[bg]WL[1792.547] ;B[eb]BL[1663.944]C[ibd [13k?\]: what is special about this match? ] ;W[ec]WL[1787.958] ;B[fb]BL[1652.773]C[dwbump: it's a computer go ladder challenge ] ;W[fc]WL[1781.042]C[ibd [13k?\]: what does this mean? ] ;B[dc]BL[1643.233]C[gunnar [?\]: Level 12 is fast for 9x9 on a modern computer. ] ;W[cb]WL[1776.827] ;B[ad]BL[1634.168] ;W[ch]WL[1775.187]C[dwbump: google computer go ladder ] ;B[dh]BL[1624.513] ;W[dg]WL[1768.333] ;B[eg]BL[1612.671] ;W[df]WL[1764.188] ;B[bh]BL[1601.601] ;W[be]WL[1753.807] ;B[ci]BL[1592.582]C[dwbump: the computer ladder has been around for many years, before go servers I think ] ;W[ef]WL[1749.883] ;B[fe]BL[1583.066] ;W[bb]WL[1744.149] ;B[cc]BL[1573.985] ;W[ab]WL[1740.21] ;B[ac]BL[1565.523] ;W[fg]WL[1737.46] ;B[eh]BL[1557.137] ;W[ff]WL[1735.178] ;B[he]BL[1548.532] ;W[fh]WL[1729.6] ;B[hh]BL[1541.175] ;W[ei]WL[1728.477] ;B[gh]BL[1527.77] ;W[fi]WL[1725.606] ;B[ag]BL[1518.417] ;W[ai]WL[1723.722] ;B[gb]BL[1511.348] ;W[hb]WL[1722.7] ;B[da]BL[1504.843] ;W[ga]WL[1721.246] ;B[ha]BL[1497.609] ;W[ia]WL[1719.995] ;B[hc]BL[1491.46] ;W[gd]WL[1719.364] ;B[ge]BL[1484.859] ;W[hd]WL[1718.996]C[gunnar [?\]: Black is also playing rather fast. ] ;B[ah]BL[1476.511] ;W[di]WL[1718.217] ;B[id]BL[1468.831] ;W[gg]WL[1717.843] ;B[hg]BL[1462.37] ;W[cf]WL[1717.608]C[dwbump: what level should I have played at? ] ;B[ea]BL[1455.744] ;W[ca]WL[1717.389]C[dwbump: and what options? ] ;B[ch]BL[1448.524] ;W[ic]WL[1717.199] ;B[af]BL[1439.299] ;W[ae]WL[1717.036] ;B[ig]BL[1431.062] ;W[ie]WL[1716.795] ;B[if]BL[1426.11] ;W[ed]WL[1716.494] ;B[de]BL[1420.066] ;W[bi]WL[1716.244]C[gunnar [?\]: If you have a computer that's not too old I think level 15 or 16 should be fine. ] ;B[id]BL[1414.285] ;W[gi]WL[1715.974] ;B[ci]BL[1405.036] ;W[ie]WL[1715.6]C[yoyoma [1d\]: whole board kill ] ;B[bh]BL[1398.113] ;W[ag]WL[1715.302]C[gunnar [?\]: But then there's also the option to turn on Monte Carlo. ] ;B[ch]BL[1392.588] ;W[ah]WL[1715.014] ;B[id]BL[1387.34] ;W[hi]WL[1714.735]C[dwbump: what about monte carlo option? ] ;B[aa]BL[1381.395] ;W[fa]WL[1714.473] ;B[]BL[1381.395] ;W[]WL[1714.473]TW[aa][ba][da][ea][ha][eb][fb][gb][ib][ac][bc][cc][dc][hc][ad][cd][dd][fd][id][de][ee][fe][ge][he][ie][af][gf][hf][if][cg][eg][hg][ig][bh][ch][dh][eh][gh][hh][ih][ci][ii]C[gunnar [?\]: It can be turned on with --monte-carlo. ibd [13k?\]: this bot is scary because of how fast it plays :o gunnar [?\]: Then level 12 for the normal move generation is probably fine. ibd [13k?\]: see ya gunnar [?\]: Not sure what --mc-games-per-level should be set to. Default should be faster than necessary. dwbump: next time I will consult you before setting the options gunnar [?\]: Seems to have worked out fine anyway. :-) dwbump: I have to go to lunch now dwbump: thanks Jacqueline gunnar [?\]: See you. dwbump: I'll leave deepgnu up if you want to play more games dwbump: it's configured to play only against jacqueline dwbump: i will change that after lunch jacqueline [?\]: Bevore more games, I need to improve ])