(; GM[1]US[Brought to you by IGS] CoPyright[ Copyright (c) NKB, Inc. 1998 Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given. No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood. Use of this game is an understanding and agreement of this notice. ] GN[Dude-TheTurtle(B) IGS]RE[W+1.5] PW[Dude]WR[2k ]NW[ 30] PB[TheTurtle]BR[NR ]NB[ 0] PC[IGS: igs.joyjoy.net 6969]DT[2000-02-04] SZ[9]TM[3600]KM[0.500000]LT[] ;B[ee]BL[3585]C[ TheTurtle NR : hi ] ;W[cc]WL[3552]C[ Dude 2k : where are you from? TheTurtle NR : Barcelona, Spain Dude 2k : i see. Dude 2k : how much time do you need for each move? TheTurtle NR : u should type komi 5.5 TheTurtle NR : about 1 minute Dude 2k : it's ok, we will count ourselves. ] ;B[cg]BL[3437] ;W[ec]WL[3541]C[ Dude 2k : i'm from Los Angeles, US. ] ;B[hg]BL[3383] ;W[dd]WL[3528]C[ Dude 2k : do u use some kind of evaluation function for ur program? TheTurtle NR : yes, it's still simple TheTurtle NR : and it does 27 width Dude 2k : width?? ] ;B[gb]BL[3250] ;W[gd]WL[3514]C[ TheTurtle NR : search 27 width 4 deep TheTurtle NR : I'm using old igc TheTurtle NR : I forget how it was :-( Dude 2k : i c. Dude 2k : xigc? TheTurtle NR : nope igc ascii ! Dude 2k : are you having problems entering move? ] ;B[bd]BL[3031] ;W[cd]WL[3500]C[ TheTurtle NR : no problems, just cumbersome TheTurtle NR : does JaGo look ahead ? ] ;B[bb]BL[2845]C[ Dude 2k : It only search for killing of short liberty stones ] ;W[bc]WL[3486]C[ Dude 2k : It mainly uses patern matching to choose its move. ] ;B[ce]BL[2635] ;W[be]WL[3456]C[ TheTurtle NR : TheTurtle thinks it's ahead by 40 points :-) Dude 2k : good, just plays too slow. :) ] ;B[bf]BL[2537]C[ TheTurtle NR : it's a turtle :) Dude 2k : i see. :))) TheTurtle NR : I'll lower the level if keeps this pace Dude 2k : it's ok, ] ;W[ad]WL[3317]C[ TheTurtle NR : only 12 points ahead now TheTurtle NR : eval function not very good Dude 2k : what language is turtle written in? TheTurtle NR : forth, it's an old language Dude 2k : really? Dude 2k : very surprised. TheTurtle NR : interactivity is a plus when debugging TheTurtle NR : and I like RPN :) ] ;B[gf]BL[2202] ;W[de]WL[3293]C[ Dude 2k : I'm using Python for my next program. Dude 2k : It's also very interactive. TheTurtle NR : how is it? TheTurtle NR : looks like getin fashioned Dude 2k : It's not playing anything yet. :( TheTurtle NR : just porting or a full rewrite? Dude 2k : The language is great! Dude 2k : It's a total rewrite. TheTurtle NR : Fotland advised against that :) Dude 2k : I'm hoping to reach a higher level than JaGo. :) TheTurtle NR : I thinked about LISP TheTurtle NR : but finally pickup forth ] ;B[he]BL[1780]C[ Dude 2k : besides, JaGo's logic part is pretty simple. TheTurtle NR : same code is running on Palm Dude 2k : Oh, I remember hearing an anouncemnet from you on Palm. ] ;W[cf]WL[3214]C[ TheTurtle NR : I think problem is eval TheTurtle NR : on Palm is still slower TheTurtle NR : only 2 moves look ahead ] ;B[dh]BL[1494] ;W[bg]WL[3205]C[ TheTurtle NR : TT is good at sacrificing stones :( TheTurtle NR : only 5 points ahead now TheTurtle NR : rather optimistic ] ;B[bh]BL[1304] ;W[af]WL[3102]C[ TheTurtle NR : does jago output score ? Dude 2k : no, it do not do any evaluation, just patern matching. :) ] ;B[eb]BL[945]C[ Dude 2k : so it plays very fast. :) ] ;W[dg]WL[2733]C[ Dude 2k : hmmm, this move is pretty slow. :) TheTurtle NR : *too* slow Dude 2k : did u just make an undo? Dude 2k : or I forget to make my move? Dude 2k : whoes turn is this? TheTurtle NR : no, my prob, sorry Dude 2k : what are you trying to do? TheTurtle NR : reentering game Dude 2k : I see. TheTurtle NR : done Dude 2k : do you want me to enter my move again? TheTurtle NR : yes pls TheTurtle NR : it doesn't want to play ??!?!? Dude 2k : Hmm...... ] ;B[eg]BL[698]C[ TheTurtle NR : at last! TheTurtle NR : will lower level Dude 2k : did u just undo again :) TheTurtle NR : no, i played e3 Dude 2k : ok, I forgot to make my move :) ] ;W[ch]WL[2458]C[ Dude 2k : sorry, it's hard to focus for slow games :) ] ;B[gc]BL[658]C[ TheTurtle NR : :) TheTurtle NR : it'll play faster now TheTurtle NR : and worst :( ] ;W[bi]WL[2379]C[ Dude 2k : Jago is playing pretty bad too :) ] ;B[hd]BL[607] ;W[eh]WL[2355] ;B[fh]BL[578] ;W[di]WL[2330]C[ Dude 2k : This is much better. :) ] ;B[fc]BL[501] ;W[ef]WL[2309]C[ TheTurtle NR : but will black keep any stone ? TheTurtle NR : :-) ] ;B[ei]BL[417]C[ Dude 2k : Hm.. getting interesting :) ] ;W[fe]WL[2228]C[ TheTurtle NR : yeah! TheTurtle NR : what about ko fights? ] ;B[dh]BL[316]C[ Dude 2k : JaGo doesn;t know about ko :( ] ;W[ci]WL[2209]C[ TheTurtle NR : my hopes vanishes Dude 2k : it's still close game, if b move at c8 ] ;B[ff]BL[206]C[ TheTurtle NR : this is also interesting ] ;W[eh]WL[2179]C[ Dude 2k : :) TheTurtle NR : c8 is small if lower right crumbles ] ;B[fd]BL[129] ;W[ed]WL[2166]C[ TheTurtle NR : TT thinks is still 2 points ahead ] ;B[dh]BL[53] ;W[db]WL[2105] ;B[cb]BL[1443]C[ TheTurtle NR : too late :( ] ;W[eh]WL[2065]C[ Dude 2k : don;t be too pessimestic :) Dude 2k : programs at this level often do not play sanely :) Dude 2k : like Jago is doing now :) ] ;B[ca]BL[1309]C[ TheTurtle NR : you said so ! ] ;W[fg]WL[2034] ;B[gh]BL[1200] ;W[fi]WL[2024] ;B[ib]BL[1109] ;W[ab]WL[1966]C[ Dude 2k : shake head :( TheTurtle NR : jago is ahead anyway ] ;B[da]BL[1010] ;W[dc]WL[1799] ;B[ig]BL[953] ;W[ah]WL[1788] ;B[gi]BL[868] ;W[ei]WL[1767] ;B[ge]BL[785] ;W[ee]WL[1757]C[ TheTurtle NR : a normal yose ?! Dude 2k : w has 21 points, b has 20 points? ] ;B[gg]BL[720] ;W[eg]WL[1749]C[ TheTurtle NR : yes ] ;B[aa]BL[645] ;W[ba]WL[1740] ;B[ea]BL[615]C[ TheTurtle NR : maybe 22 now ] ;W[tt]WL[1713]C[ Dude 2k : JaGo passed :( TheTurtle NR : jago wins by komi ] ;B[aa]BL[553] ;W[ac]WL[1673] ;B[ba]BL[530] ;W[tt]WL[1660] ;B[tt]BL[508]C[ Dude 2k : Yes. Dude 2k : It's fun game, but a bit slow. Dude 2k : do we need to mail the game to anyone? TheTurtle NR : yes, TT is too slow ] ;W[tt]WL[1660]C[ TheTurtle NR : yes, to Pettersen TheTurtle done Dude 2k : do you know the command? TheTurtle NR : mail someone gamename TheTurtle NR : or mail me gamename TheTurtle NR : then mail it normally TheTurtle NR : score TheTurtle NR : type done pls TheTurtle done ]; TW[ae][ag][ai][bd][bf][bh][ce][cg][df][dh] TB[fa][fb][ga][gd][ha][hb][hc][hf][hh][hi][ia][ic][id][ie][if][ih][ii] )