From nngs@nngs.cosmic.org Mon Jan 17 17:19:22 2000 Received: from cgl.ucsf.edu (cgl.ucsf.edu [128.218.27.20]) by homer.cgl.ucsf.EDU (8.6.12/GSC4.26) with ESMTP id RAA18381 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:19:21 -0800 Received: from nngs.cosmic.org (nngs.cosmic.org [198.36.217.60]) by cgl.ucsf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/GSC1.7) with ESMTP id RAA336945 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nngs@localhost) by nngs.cosmic.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA07036 for pett@cgl.ucsf.edu; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:39:12 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:39:12 -0600 From: The No Name Go Server Message-Id: <200001180139.TAA07036@nngs.cosmic.org> To: pett@cgl.ucsf.edu Subject: pett-theturtle-200001171938 Status: R (; GM[1]US[Brought to you by No Name Go Server] CoPyright[ This game was played on the No Name Go Server Permission to reproduce this game is given.] GN[pett-TheTurtle(B) NNGS] EV[None] RE[W+Resign] PW[pett]WR[NR ] PB[TheTurtle]BR[30k ] PC[NNGS Worldwide: nngs.cosmic.org 9696] DT[2000-01-17] SZ[19]TM[1500]KM[5.5] ;B[pd]C[ TheTurtle 30k : for 1st move it just picks a random one in the corner, it's fast :-) (1) ] ;W[qc]C[ pett NR : had to set some parameters in my viewer, and gottaGo isn't so fast :-) ] ;B[pp];W[jm]C[ pett NR : there's an original move! pett NR : make sure you use 'say' command so that comments go into game record... TheTurtle 30k : ... and I though The Turtle had strange fuseki ideas ! (4) ] ;B[ec];W[df];B[dp];W[qq];B[ck];W[cq]C[ pett NR : gottaGo is pretty consistent, like it or not TheTurtle 30k : sansan taker uh? (10) ] ;B[mo]C[ TheTurtle 30k : territorial after that? The Turtle isn't (11) ] ;W[dd]C[ pett NR : sansan = ? ] ;B[hp];W[kc]C[ TheTurtle 30k : 3-3 point, in japanese (14) pett NR : ah! pett NR : yes, sansan taker ] ;B[mg]C[ pett NR : more like gottaGo like to get under stones ] ;W[qi];B[fi];W[cm];B[rn]C[ TheTurtle 30k : well, TT prefers center ... ususally (19) ] ;W[pq];B[bh];W[hq]C[ pett NR : interesting "strategic" fighting ] ;B[mr];W[qd]C[ TheTurtle 30k : TT thinks is a balance game, I just don't understand nothing (24) ] ;B[nc];W[ek];B[ok];W[gi];B[gd];W[fc];B[pg];W[qg];B[ke];W[lf]C[ mercury started observation. ] ;B[ig]C[ TheTurtle 30k : wow! this looks like both are just scatering stones :-( (35) ] ;W[ng]C[ pett NR : yeah, its like the stone bowls were overturned :-) pett NR : TT hasn't placed adjacent stones yet! ] ;B[gn];W[ho]C[ TheTurtle 30k : it does'nt like it. it's "inneficient", just 1 sotne from empty triangle (38) ] ;B[jr];W[jq]C[ TheTurtle 30k : but gottago is neither very interested on it (40) ] ;B[ic];W[jb]C[ pett NR : it'll be interesting to see stones connect up ] ;B[ca];W[cb]C[ TheTurtle 30k : I'm afraid black'll be cut to pieces :-( (44) ] ;B[pb];W[gc]C[ pett NR : we'll see. I wouldn't bet on it. :-) TheTurtle 30k : it still thinks the game's balanced (46) ] ;B[ii]C[ nlanza started observation. ] ;W[oc];B[fq];W[mc]C[ pett NR : gottaGo likes its game, but it _always_ likes its game early on ] ;B[dr];W[cr];B[oq];W[nq]C[ TheTurtle 30k : TT begins to think it's about 5 points ahead (54) pett NR : game's too crazy to say! ] ;B[cg];W[ci];B[ik];W[bi];B[og]C[ TheTurtle 30k : white begins to look more solid to me (59) ] ;W[lg]C[ pett NR : TT's first adjacent stone! ] ;B[nh];W[nf]C[ TheTurtle 30k : ... and now first atari of the game ! (62) pett NR : maybe white a little more solid, but plenty of cuts available ] ;B[ae];W[ph];B[sk]C[ TheTurtle 30k : TT does not care about cuts ... own or foe (65) ] ;W[be]C[ pett NR : I always thought gg was a little too enthusiastic about playing on the edge ] ;B[ff]C[ pett NR : TT is a soulmate :-) ] ;W[rm];B[ql]C[ TheTurtle 30k : yes, it likes too much 1st line after scatering stones in center (69) ] ;W[qm]C[ gunnar started observation. ] ;B[gk];W[fh];B[qb]C[ TheTurtle 30k : 2nd nobi ! (73) ] ;W[rc];B[em];W[hj]C[ gunnar 4k : Very cosmic game. :-) (76) pett NR : black stones everywhere! ] ;B[co];W[bo]C[ TheTurtle 30k : but will they survive ? (78) ] ;B[rp]C[ pem started observation. ] ;W[rq]C[ TheTurtle 30k : 3 in a row ! (80) pem 2k*: Hmm... both programs play randomly? :) (80) gunnar 4k : I have a hard time deciding which of the two programs is most disorganized. (80) pett NR : I nearly fainted. :-) ] ;B[ip];W[iq]C[ TheTurtle 30k : and another black nobi !!!! (82) pett NR : and another 3! pem 2k*: It seems to me that w plays slightly bett shape (despite the empty triangle). (82) ] ;B[oe]C[ pett NR : hard to put down black stones with nobi now. :-) ] ;W[ep]C[ gunnar 4k : It will be interesting to see what happens when they get into a sharp tactical fight. (84) ] ;B[pc]C[ TheTurtle 30k : I can't believe it ! (85) pem 2k*: Both collaps, probably. :) (85) ] ;W[no]C[ gunnar 4k : But maybe they'll mutually avoid that kind of business. (86) pett NR : turtle gets first 4 ] ;B[lm];W[kr]C[ gunnar 4k : It may be more likely that the ability to connect will decide the game. (88) ] ;B[hs];W[mn];B[om]C[ TheTurtle 30k : it still thinks is a very close game, last to move is 1-3 points ahead (91) ] ;W[gr]C[ pett NR : gg still in love with itself :-) ] ;B[ko];W[lo];B[os];W[nl]C[ TheTurtle 30k : looks like white will get a big lower side (96) ] ;B[cl]C[ pett NR : really? looks like a mess to me! can't depend on these programs to see things. ] ;W[or]C[ TheTurtle 30k : It's just statistically more probable (98) ] ;B[rb];W[bk]C[ TheTurtle 30k : TT also thinks white's getting ahead, by about 5 points (100) ] ;B[dg];W[qk];B[mk];W[ne];B[rl];W[qn];B[pk];W[el];B[qj];W[en];B[jl]C[ pett NR : a "fight" where they ignore each other! ] ;W[im]C[ TheTurtle 30k : after W E8 E6 black loses grip on the center-left side (112) TheTurtle 30k : TT is a master of tenuki :-) (112) ] ;B[bf];W[ad];B[ps]C[ TheTurtle 30k : ... and believes in stones having 3 liberties :-( (115) ] ;W[dh];B[ef];W[ce];B[lr];W[lq];B[ks];W[kq];B[ba];W[hf]C[ gunnar 4k : White is slowly taking command of this game. (124) ] ;B[nr];W[gf];B[pr];W[ls]C[ pett NR : could be horizon effect for gg ] ;B[si];W[rj];B[io]C[ TheTurtle 30k : tt horizon is 5 deep ... when it cares to go that far (131) ] ;W[pj]C[ pett NR : lots of urgent moves available! ] ;B[in];W[jn]C[ TheTurtle 30k : it's a nice full board tsumego problem :-) (134) ] ;B[cf];W[de];B[fl];W[ll];B[lh];W[mh];B[rs]C[ TheTurtle 30k : TT thinks W's ahead by 10 points now (141) gunnar 4k : N12 is a strange move and still more strange to tenuki. (141) ] ;W[jh]C[ TheTurtle 30k : but I can just figure out what's happening ! (142) pett NR : live them self-ataris, woo boy pett NR : _love_ them self ataris, I mean ] ;B[kh];W[jg];B[ob];W[eb]C[ pett NR : yeah, I don't know what's going on either. ] ;B[da];W[db];B[hc];W[ia]C[ pett NR : ah, gg shows its stripes :-) ] ;B[he];W[id];B[ie];W[jd]C[ kossa started observation. ] ;B[ab];W[fp]C[ TheTurtle 30k : black stones are tooo scatered now, almost a random move will cut something (156) ] ;B[dk];W[gm];B[dl]C[ gunnar 4k : D8 is a bit on the heavy side... (159) ] ;W[dj];B[ej];W[dm]C[ gunnar 4k : Oh, E10 is actually a good move, at least locally. (162) ] ;B[fm];W[ei];B[fj];W[gj]C[ pett NR : make you take those stones if its the last thing gg does! ] ;B[rr]C[ TheTurtle 30k : take them ? never ! (167) ] ;W[fk]C[ pett NR : you win that one. :-) ] ;B[sq];W[op]C[ TheTurtle 30k : but now tt realizes W's ahead by more than 20 (170) pett NR : gg finally gets into corner fight ] ;B[oi]C[ TheTurtle 30k : and tt loses interest in it ... (171) ] ;W[kk]C[ pett NR : the feeling's mutual. :-) ] ;B[po]C[ TheTurtle 30k : a ko fight ? (173) ] ;W[or]C[ pett NR : hmmm, could be! TheTurtle 30k : yes !! (174) ] ;B[kj]C[ TheTurtle 30k : no? (175) ] ;W[li]C[ pett NR : maybe a disinterested ko fight :-) ] ;B[mi];W[qr]C[ TheTurtle 30k : tt will take ko ... i hope (178) ] ;B[rk];W[so]C[ TheTurtle 30k : well ... (180) pett NR : now, more than one possible ko fight pett NR : you want me to add time? ] ;B[hi]C[ TheTurtle 30k : it's playing under the move per minute, but barely (181) ] ;W[mf];B[fg];W[eh]C[ TheTurtle 30k : hmm, yes it'll need some more minutes thanks (184) ] ;B[sn]C[ TheTurtle 30k : now that lots of stones have 1 or 2 liberties it has slowed down a lot (185) ] ;W[ol]C[ pett NR : ah ] ;B[hb];W[nj];B[go];W[hl];B[nd];W[if];B[ee];W[ed]C[ TheTurtle 30k : thnx (194) pett NR : no problemo ] ;B[ac];W[af]C[ TheTurtle 30k : tt thinks gg's ahead by about 30 points now (196) ] ;B[ag];W[qe]C[ TheTurtle 30k : and if nothing radical happens in the right side I think it can be worst (198) ] ;B[sh];W[ro]C[ pett NR : certainly radical things are possible, and may be happening now gunnar 4k : Black is in big trouble everywhere except in the upper right corner. (200) ] ;B[km];W[il];B[sp]C[ gunnar 4k : The center may or may not survive. The entire left side is pretty much lost. The lower right still has some chances. (203) ] ;W[sm];B[mm];W[qp]C[ TheTurtle 30k : uff! so much time for such a move :-( (206) pett NR : there's no hurrying genius ] ;B[kl];W[jj]C[ pett NR : I'm thinking of running off for 3 or 4 minutes(maybe 5) when TT starts thinking about its next move would that be okay? TheTurtle 30k : sure (208) ] ;B[ln];W[mp]C[ pett NR : I'm off! ] ;B[nk]C[ pett NR : I'm back TheTurtle 30k : hi! (211) pett NR : hi! ] ;W[nm];B[on];W[ml];B[lk];W[jk]C[ TheTurtle 30k : frozen again :-( I've lowed the level ... should be faster now (216) ] ;B[kn];W[nn]C[ pett NR : I see why its called The Turtle ;-) ] ;B[ji];W[ij]C[ TheTurtle 30k : Oh! it can play fast ! but then it's even worst !! (220) ] ;B[gs];W[hg];B[jp];W[oj];B[fd]C[ jellyfish started observation. ] ;W[kd]C[ pett NR : gg is running on a very fast machine, or it would be none too fast either TheTurtle 30k : I'm using a K6-2/400 (226) ] ;B[gl];W[hm];B[fn];W[gp]C[ pett NR : gg runs on a DEC Alphaserver 4100 ] ;B[kp];W[hn]C[ TheTurtle 30k : wow!! that's fst ! (232) ] ;B[gb]C[ pett NR : onlu one of the four processors, though ;-) ] ;W[fb]C[ TheTurtle 30k : even though (234) ] ;B[do];W[hk]C[ TheTurtle 30k : well, after the center colapsed I feel like resigning (236) ] ;B[dn];W[fo]C[ pett NR : you can, but gg is terrible at the end game you know. TheTurtle 30k : gg is more than 80 points ahead (238) ] ;B[sg];W[sj]C[ pett NR : does look bad, I agree ] ;B[ma];W[mb];B[js];W[ir];B[rf]C[ pett NR : so what's your call? Do you want to resign or continue? ] ;W[re]C[ TheTurtle 30k : let's see this rigth side (246) ] ;B[bc]C[ pett NR : okay, sounds good ] ;W[mh]C[ TheTurtle 30k : or the upper left corner now ... (248) ] ;B[qf]C[ TheTurtle 30k : no, the right :-) (249) ] ;W[rh];B[md];W[of];B[cp];W[bm]C[ TheTurtle 30k : too many promising moves in a row, it had to stop (254) ] ;B[la];W[mj];B[pl];W[sr];B[qs];W[pe];B[is]C[ gunnar 4k : The upper right corner is fragile now. (261) ] ;W[fr];B[es];W[sb];B[mg];W[ni];B[bp];W[br]C[ pem started observation. ] ;B[ap];W[cn];B[ld];W[lc];B[ih];W[kf];B[hh];W[sa];B[rg];W[sf]C[ pett NR : ick ] ;B[gg]C[ TheTurtle 30k : maybe I shouldn't resign after all :-) (279) ] ;W[ra]C[ pett NR : gottaGo is frequently "off by one" in contact fights :-( ] ;B[qa];W[sc];B[je];W[gh];B[ki];W[jf]C[ TheTurtle 30k : I'll write a book on random players :-( (286) ] ;B[eq];W[le];B[mh];W[nb]C[ pett NR : I was wondering if anyone was going to play n12 ] ;B[an];W[eo];B[fa];W[oa];B[bd];W[dc]C[ pett NR : a15? ] ;B[fs]C[ TheTurtle 30k : nope (297) ] ;W[oq]C[ pett NR : me neither ] ;B[pf];W[eg];B[ae]C[ pett NR : ah ] ;W[ri];B[oh];W[lj]C[ pett NR : getting tense TheTurtle 30k : yeah (304) ] ;B[pi]C[ TheTurtle 30k : oooH! (305) ] ;W[kg]C[ TheTurtle 30k : well that's it I resign (306) pett NR : the ending was a shocker! ] ;) --- ---